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- Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:05 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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Re: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York
I agree with what you are saying and there are exceptions to everything. If he would have had a gun and been willing to use it, I bet things would have been different. It could have been one of the many times the gun stopped a crime without having to be fired.
- Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:25 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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The event may not have happened at all if there was a likely chance the man in the SUV was armed. I also suspect there were plenty of guns among the bikers. Each side having guns tends to precipitate a "mutual respect" of sorts.
- Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:27 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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I'm just thankful their mayor is most concerned with people getting fat by drinking too much soda.
- Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:41 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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BigBangSmallBucks wrote:MeMelYup wrote:At the 25-29 second time on the vidio is where the SUV runs over the first bike and rider. I think that's what t'd the bikers off.
I don't know what to think about this situation and I will try to reserve judgement because idk what I would do but imo the rr driver didn't have to run over the guy on the motorcycle which amplified the situation. I think the bikers were out of line for surrounding the rr in the beginning of the video but we don't know what happened before that, maybe the rr driver was tailgating the bikers or acting aggressively towards them and them surrounding them was payback.
Really? You don't think the guy has the right to flee from an angry mob of thirty plus that has just forced him to stop and is surrounding his vehicle? If the motorcycle rider hadn't forced the guy to stop by getting in front of him and stopping, he wouldn't have been in a position to get ran over. Also, the SUV driver wouldn't have needed to flee. The guy brought it on himself.
- Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:24 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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I wonder if they initiated the contact with Allred or if she contacted them or had someone do it on her behalf.bizarrenormality wrote:The family of Mieses (the hospitalized criminal) announced today they hired celebrity Gloria Allred to harass the Asian family he and his gang attacked.Keith B wrote:OK, get back on topic of the incident.
In related news, CBS reporter Tony Aiello revealed that Mieses didn't have a motorcycle license because it was suspended until 2017. You can probably guess why.
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:50 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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OrangeAnimal wrote:I don't know what started it but when the RR clearly ran over someone elses property he was egging them on. That's not something I would have done. I have ridden bikes all my life and I wouldn't have continued to chase that guy like that but either way if I was the range rover guy I wouldn't have been running people over just to get my point across. Really this is road rage at it's finest (if you could call it that).
Ron White said it best "I didn't know how many of them it was going to take to beat my butt, but I knew how many they were going to use! That's a handy piece of information to have."
It's one of those situations where you cut your loses and move on. A piece of mirrored glass is hardly worth rear ending people and running over motorcycles and perhaps people as well.
You are just trying to stir the pot aren't you?
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:30 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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drjoker wrote:I dunno, but I've been on a bike before driving the speed limit and I don't ride anymore because it is too dangerous. I've had people shout racial slurs at me, throw beer bottles at me, and tried to run me off the road before. I don't know what's with drivers who see a guy on a bike and think that they can bully the guy on the bike. In all instances, it was my slow driving that angered the other driver, but I was driving at the legal speed limit. Just because everyone else is speeding doesn't mean I have to do it too.mojo84 wrote:
What do you think prompted the motorcyclist to pull over and stop in front of the SUV after he appeared to be mouthing at the suv driver as he went by?
What does all of that and your previous comment have to do with this particular situation?
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:16 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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What do you think prompted the motorcyclist to pull over and stop in front of the SUV after he appeared to be mouthing at the suv driver as he went by?drjoker wrote:Err.... please watch the video again. The bikers were just enjoying morning ride while eating skittles & drinking iced tea when the Range Rover REAR ENDS a biker, then pulls a hit and run by RUNNING OVER ANOTHER biker to get away. The Range Rover guy is just lucky he only got a beat down and didn't get killed. Many wealthy people have an attitude that they'er the elite and y'all are just serfs so they can do anything they want to you and get away with it. If the bikers tried to sue the guy in the Range Rover, his high priced attorneys would probably coach him into all the correct lies and the Range Rover guy would likely get an O.J. (get out of jail free card). In this case, street justice is probably the only justice those bikers were gonna get. And to those of you who say the Rang Rover guy could've used a firearm to defend himself, are you forgetting that if everyone is armed, then there would be more armed bikers than armed people in the SUV? BTW, I don't condone street justice, but I'm just saying I understand (but don't sympathize) those bikers.
Also, TAM said that guns are banned New York. This is untrue. New York is a "may issue state". My uncle who lived in New York city paid the mayor (not the current one) $80,000 to help with his election campaign and gave a "gift" of $50,000 to the police chief (not the current one). After that, his application for a gun license got magically approved. It was rejected previously. He was allowed to carry one snub nosed revolver and loved brandishing it everywhere he went. You see, even in the countries with the most restrictive gun laws, the elites will always have priviledges that the plebes don't have. Such is the definition of a lack of liberty. LIberty is the equal application of all laws to all citizens. Japan has the most restrictive gun laws, yet, there are roughly 50 (give or take a couple) CHL holders in Japan. In China, I once saw a guy run a red light and speed while weaving through traffic. Then, the guy walks out of car while open carrying a pistol. The cops present smile and bow to him. He was the son of a high ranking Communist party official. In Hong Kong, if the police chief of the entire administrative region has to sign off on your CHL. Only Lee Ka Shing, one of the wealthiest men in the world and his sons, plus a few other rich guys and friends of the chief have a CHL in Hong Kong.
Even if you don't like guns, the equal application of gun laws is a litmus test for liberty. There are no countries where guns are truly banned. Guns are only banned for the plebians.
P.S. Texas, Alaska, and a few other Republican states are the closest to liberty you'll get on this planet. Our CHL costs $265 (state fees, range fee, gun rental, ammo, class). Poor people cannot afford this. That's why most CHL holders are in north Dallas and Plano while very few are in South Dallas. Poor people illegally carry and end up in jail when they have to use their gun to protect themselves. This is not liberty but $265 is not an insurmountable obstacle, even for someone on minimum wage. It is very difficult but not impossible to manage. $130,000 for a New York city CHL is insurmountable for most people. Keep in mind this was many years ago, so the fee for a CHL in New York is probably double that or more today.
McKnife wrote:I also applaud the Range Rover's actions up until it got stuck in traffic. As HotLead said above, the moment he stopped, he was at a major disadvantage.
I would have been on the phone with the cops explaining I will defend myself as needed *hint hint... get here quick* Nothing gets marked cars moving faster than a dispatcher reporting gunshots heard over the phone.
Mobs have zero reasoning, which is exactly why I keep a loaded AR with several magazines ready, as well as a 'go-bag.'
Most biker mobs across the nation (not all) clearly try to intimidate other drivers on the road. I pray that the driver recovers quickly, and that he invests in proper defense for his family soon. I also hope that the bikers involved get criminal charges.
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:04 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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I agree, the bikers are at fault. I probably would have ran more off them over once they became aggressiveand started Harding me..Keith B wrote:He bumped the bike when the guy slowed down in front of him quickly (shown in video). The bikers were totally at fault in this case, and if I had my family in the car I would have potentially done the exact same thing. ONly difference since Texas vs. New Yorkk is they would have been staring downt he barrel of a pistol when they started trying to enter my vehicle.mojo84 wrote:Heard a few minutes ago on Fox News the incident started because the SUV "bumped" one off them They didn't elaborate much.
Right or wrong, Fox News said the SUV bumped one of the bikes to trigger the incident and made it sound like it happened before the video started. I don't know if they are right or not and I am in no means trying to place blame on the SUV driver.
- Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:48 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)
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Heard a few minutes ago on Fox News the incident started because the SUV "bumped" one off the bikes. They didn't elaborate much.