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by mojo84
Fri May 01, 2015 12:02 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

The federal government to the rescue.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... forcement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the wake of the ongoing events in Baltimore, the Justice Department Friday is announcing a $20 million body-worn camera pilot program for law enforcement agencies.

“This body-worn camera pilot program is a vital part of the Justice Department’s comprehensive efforts to equip law enforcement agencies throughout the country with the tools, support, and training they need to tackle the 21st century challenges we face,” Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Friday.

“Body-worn cameras hold tremendous promise for enhancing transparency, promoting accountability, and advancing public safety for law enforcement officers and the communities they serve,” she added.

The Body-Worn Camera (BWC) Pilot Partnership Program is part of President Obama’s $75 million proposal to purchase 50,000 body-worn cameras for law enforcement over three years. Friday’s announced program will include $17 million in competitive grants for body-worn cameras, $2 million for training, and $1 million to look at “best practices.”

You never know, body cams may have gone a long way in preventing some of the heated emotions and property damage in Baltimore.

I've kind of come to the conclusion if one doesn't self manage, someone else will do it for them. The lead rabble rouser, Sharpton, is now calling for the feds to police us as if they could be trusted any more.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/ ... es-rights/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sharpton said, “we need the Justice Department to step in and take over policing in this country. In the 20th century, they had to fight states’ rights in — to get the right to vote. We’re going to have to fight states’ rights in terms of closing down police cases.”
by mojo84
Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:20 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

I'm not interested in arguing whether the officer did the right thing or not. Here is an example of how a body cam can benefit an officer. I find it interesting if an individual officer can figure out how to obtain one and manage the data storage, an agency should be able to do so.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court ... re-n344011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently others have figured it out also.

http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... as/videos/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by mojo84
Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:13 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R wrote:Perspective

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I'm not getting in the argument. However, I have an honest question. When a couple cop buddies shared that with me, the thing that popped in my head is that is a two way street. What percentage of the cop contacts turned out to be a citizen that turned on and harmed the cop? What is the percentage of total contacts were cops killed?
by mojo84
Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:19 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

Body armor funding assistance. Better hurry, time is running out.

http://www.bodyarmoroutlet.com/grants-program" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government and Federal Programs

The Bulletproof Vest Partnership (BVP) program provides up to 50 percent matching funds for agencies looking to purchase soft and tactical body armor for their officers. Established in 1998 by the Bulletproof Vest Partnership Grant Act, BVP is part of the U.S. Department of Justice initiative to provide critical resources to state and local law enforcement. Since 1999, over 13,000 jurisdictions have participated in the BVP Program, with $277 million in federal funds committed to support the purchase of an estimated 800,000 vests. Register your agency today!

Step 1 - Register
Register your agency by going to http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bvpbasi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. On the left navigation bar, click on “Getting Started”. Complete an online application detailing the total number, type and projected costs for the vests you are applying for. Wait for approval of your funds. The BVP makes funding decisions immediately after the open enrollment period. Applicants are notified by email regarding their fund awards.

Step 2 - Purchase Your Vest/s
Purchase the vest(s) needed by your agency. Only concealable and tactical body armor vests, that are certified to the NIJ Standard-0101.06 will qualify for BVP funding. Also all agencies will have to certify during the application process, that they have a “written” mandatory wear policy.

Step 3 - Retrieve Reimbursement
After you have purchased your vests, complete an online receiving report located at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bvpbasi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, and request payment for reimbursement.

To learn more about the BVP Program please click here

Applications for FY15 BVP funding will be accepted through 6:00 PM ET, Tuesday, May 13, 2015.
by mojo84
Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:57 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R wrote:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Good for you. I'm sure the South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division's top priority is producing proof that satisfies your biased mind within your arbitrary timeframe that they were in fact already investigating Slager. They'll produce all the evidence they've collected if /when this goes to trial - same as every other case.
And thats the problem. Without the video nothing would have been done and both these guys would have gotten off scott free.

And again, there is no cause to suspend an officer until you have probable cause to believe they have violated policy or broken the law.
Lying in your report about attempting CPR is not cause to suspend them? is that the standard you want the public to expect from the police? You're digging a hole thats mighty deep.

Mighty petty gripes mean that call for DOJ oversight nationally is growing.

You're rehashing the same argument. There is no verifiable way for you to claim "nothing would've been done" without the video. Basically a false dilemma logical fallacy with a bit of correlative fallacy thrown in.

"Lying on your report about CPR" ... do you not understand that you can't take action against someone based in information you don't yet know? How between 9:30 Saturday and the release of the video on Monday was anyone supposed to KNOW that they didn't perform CPR? Geez, your standard is that unless an investigator is omniscient then they're investigation is bogus and only video can show the truth.

Investigations TAKE TIME. Deal with it. Get over it. Move on. The video helped immensely to speed up the process (as I've said repeatedly) but without the video the truth would've been revealed in due time.

Try some decaf

How would anyone know they didn't do CPR like they said if it wasn't for the video? :headscratch
by mojo84
Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:36 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

MechAg94 wrote:
mojo84 wrote:A-R, I too have enjoyed and appreciate the debate. Please don't think I think the officers or departments want to buy "toys" vs body cams. I do believe some things are cooler than others and human nature leads us to the cool and exciting. I also think the budget argument and lack of data storage are just an excuses.

How do the departments handle dash cam videos now? I know of some that automatically upload when the car arrives at the station to the departments server or cloud. Once uploaded it is kept for a period of time. Then it is written over after thirty, sixty, ninety etc days ( not sure how long). If they need the video, they can go in and save the part of it they need and process it as evidence with their chain of custody procedures.

Complaining it isn't feasible due to budget constraints and data storage issues is just a red herring being thrown out there by cops that don't want the cameras on them as they don't want the videos used against them. I think the video will corroborate their story and vindicate them more often than hurt them. I believe cops do much more right than they do bad.

One final argument, they are already doing what they say they can't to do. They have dash cams. For example, Boerne PD has an MRAP. The money they spend on upkeep and maintenance of that piece of military equipment that I am not aware of them using once would fund the body cams for the entire department.

Again, I encourage you to contact your county auditor or city treasurer and request a copy of their budgets. You'll be surprised how you're money is being spent. I can share my FOIA request with you if you would like.

Here's another example of priorities that I've mentioned. Kendall County has spent several million dollars buying land for wilderness parks that get little use. That would find lots of body cameras, data storage and cool equipment.
I would bet it is not really the LEO's that will complain about budgets at least in major cities. I bet the City of Houston could afford them just fine, but the politicians might have to cut a pet project or two to pay for it. However, there are smaller and poorer counties and cities where lower ranking cops get paid very little already. I am not sure who will pay additional costs in places like that.

Best first step might be for DPS to try it out and work out how best to implement and maintain the system.

Earlier in the thread, I posted a link to where there are grants available. I think many cops, brass and politicians all have their own reasons for resisting.

I have enjoyed the debate. I think I've done all I can here so I'll leave it all to you guys and well see where all this goes in time.
by mojo84
Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:13 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R wrote:Just found this report, and obviously have not read it all, but the below quote is illustrative:

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resource ... 246869.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Although the initial costs of purchasing the cameras can be steep, many police executives said that data storage is the most expensive aspect of a body-worn camera program . “Data storage costs can be crippling,” said Chief Aden of Greenville . Captain Thomas Roberts of Las Vegas agreed . “Storing videos over the long term is an ongoing, extreme cost that agencies have to anticipate,” said Roberts .

Remember how many millions of dollars the university chancellors said it would cost them if campus carry passed. I think this is similar.

Here you go. They estimated $50 million. http://www.star-telegram.com/news/polit ... 21075.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by mojo84
Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:11 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R, I too have enjoyed and appreciate the debate. Please don't think I think the officers or departments want to buy "toys" vs body cams. I do believe some things are cooler than others and human nature leads us to the cool and exciting. I also think the budget argument and lack of data storage are just an excuses.

How do the departments handle dash cam videos now? I know of some that automatically upload when the car arrives at the station to the departments server or cloud. Once uploaded it is kept for a period of time. Then it is written over after thirty, sixty, ninety etc days ( not sure how long). If they need the video, they can go in and save the part of it they need and process it as evidence with their chain of custody procedures.

Complaining it isn't feasible due to budget constraints and data storage issues is just a red herring being thrown out there by cops that don't want the cameras on them as they don't want the videos used against them. I think the video will corroborate their story and vindicate them more often than hurt them. I believe cops do much more right than they do bad.

One final argument, they are already doing what they say they can't to do. They have dash cams. For example, Boerne PD has an MRAP. The money they spend on upkeep and maintenance of that piece of military equipment that I am not aware of them using once would fund the body cams for the entire department.

Again, I encourage you to contact your county auditor or city treasurer and request a copy of their budgets. You'll be surprised how you're money is being spent. I can share my FOIA request with you if you would like.

Here's another example of priorities that I've mentioned. Kendall County has spent several million dollars buying land for wilderness parks that get little use. That would find lots of body cameras, data storage and cool equipment.
by mojo84
Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:49 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

Another example of why I believe body cameras are a necessity. What if the news helicopter wasn't above filming. I bet the officers involved would have one heck of a good story justifying how the beating was the only way to subdue and secure the perp or that he was injured falling from the horse. Unfortunately, such measures as body cameras and dashcam are needed.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a1f83461 ... eing-horse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by mojo84
Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:59 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R, I dont know how much you think these body cameras cost. You keep talking about budget and small departments and then talking like the cameras and upkeep are some huge budget breaker and upkeep issue. A little research will tell you, that is not the case. I even provided a link to where departments can get grants to help pay for them and other equipment.

Here is an example, http://wolfcomusa.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. For less than $500 per camera, they can get the tricked out model and another optionfor less the. $250 per. Then $175 for the software to manage the data if it is needed.

I believe that is manageable, especially for small departments that want to gear up their officers with other more tactical equipment.

I wasn't blank g the other poster. I just used his comments to illustrate what goes on when it comes to equipment purchases. It comes down to priorities and cops prefer cool stuff over body cameras. That's just human nature. I would also.
by mojo84
Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:39 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

nightmare69 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
A-R wrote:The appropriate distance away from a police investigation is far enough that your presence does not create a dangerous distraction.
Not disputing that police need space to work. Again though, I have had seen zero videos where someone filming caused a dangerous situation. I have seen lots where LEOs have decided to engage people filming them. To my knowledge there is also zero proof (anecdotal or on the record) that someone filming a cop has caused a dangerous distraction that caused an incident.

I will concede that the majority of people who make a habit out of filming the police are children. If LEOs were smart they would treat them as such and ignore them. As soon as people quit getting that "gotcha" moment from LEO, I imagine they will find a new hobby.

On the topic of body cameras, the real data shows that when cops wear body cameras EVERYONE (including them) behaves better.

http://www.policefoundation.org/content ... -use-force" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The findings suggest more than a 50% reduction in the total number of incidents of use-of-force compared to control-conditions, and nearly ten times more citizens’ complaints in the 12-months prior to the experiment."
I hope TX passes some sort of bill to require body cameras.
You prepared to foot the bill? Many small departments cannot afford the cost and upkeep of body cams. I've personally gone through 3 shoulder mics in less than a year. I would love to have a body cam but my dept and many others simply cannot afford them.

The above bolded section of the quote and the below quote illustrate exactly what I'm talking about. It's not budget, it's priorities and preferences. Many cops don't want the cameras so they blame budgets as the reason not to get them. I don't think budget is the reason and these two posts illustrate that. Both of these quotes came from the same officer talking about the same department acquiring equipment. I would prioritize cameras over most of the SWAT gear for the regular university campus cop. They can always call on the SWAT team when they need SWAT gear used.

I'm not attacking anyone and I know no one is going to limit me to a revolver. We at the university will never get a MRAP or full autos, we may one day however have everything that Swat has. Shields and breaching tools are something we are looking into getting.
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by mojo84
Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:54 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R wrote:
mojo84 wrote:I agree it would be bad if they have to activate them before an interaction. However, most that I am aware of operate like a dash can. They run continuously in a loop. The officer would have to turn it off if they didn't want it to be on. (Thinking lunch and bathroom breaks here.)

I would be interested to learn more about there operation when I get a chance to do some further research.

I really think more good would come from using them for both the officers and the citizens than bad.
Most dash cams I believe must be activated. Some are activated every time the driver door opens, some every time lights & sirens are activated, some when vehicle reaches a certain speed, some must be manually activated.

The continuous loop idea is interesting, but again opens the same Pandora's box if an incident occurs when the camera was manually shut off - not to mention the enormous data storage requirements.

I think this article indicates the real objections to body v cameras. I don't think it's budget, data storage or inefficient activation.

http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... come-them/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These cameras seem to full the book without busting the budget or being too onerous in the data storage or activation areas.

I just think they help and some chips just don't like the idea. I have a feeling many felt the same about dash cams.

Like I said, some cops still refuse to wear body armor and others do it without complaining or being forced to do so.

Here are some resources for grants to help purchase them.

http://www.policegrantshelp.com/product ... as-grants/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by mojo84
Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:51 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

I agree it would be bad if they have to activate them before an interaction. However, most that I am aware of operate like a dash can. They run continuously in a loop. The officer would have to turn it off if they didn't want it to be on. (Thinking lunch and bathroom breaks here.)

I would be interested to learn more about there operation when I get a chance to do some further research.

I really think more good would come from using them for both the officers and the citizens than bad.
by mojo84
Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:01 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

It appears your issue is more the trust or lack there of than budget. I am confident there is budget there. As there are more bad shoots and other things, trust will continue to erode whether they have new equipment or not.

How many cops in your department that would wear body armor that don't have it? In ours, apparently there were none since they didn't take me up on my offer to raise the funds.

I don't think it is a budget driven as you seem to believe. Most departments have what is necessary to do the job safely and effectively. I don't think body cameras is going to break the budget. I also believe every bad shoot or encounter that happens makes the cop's jobs more dangerous.

Would you feel safe being a cop on the streets of Ferguson or North Charlotte right now. I wouldn't with or without body armor.
by mojo84
Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:38 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: New bills about cops
Replies: 91
Views: 21600

Re: New bills about cops

A-R wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
A-R wrote:THIS

There are still officers in small departments who are not issued BODY ARMOR! Let's fix that problem before we start throwing money at body cameras.

I too think all officers should have armor available. I've offered to put on a fundraiser to help get it for our deputies that do not have it. My offer hasn't been accepted yet and the initial feedback was that the ones that really want it and would wear it, especially during the summer, already have it. That's also one reason it wasn't budgeted. I suspect there are other things that have been purchased instead of body armor that would not have taken priority if all officers were committed to wearing it.

Have you offered such? If so, what was the feedback you received? Have you looked at the budget to see what has been purchased instead of body armor?
Body armor should be a mandatory part of the daily patrol uniform. I'll just leave it at that. As for budgets ... way above my pay grade. My original point was how are we all going to pay for body cameras (and storage and the rest of the expenses that come with body cams) when many departments can't even afford the far more fundamental necessity of body armor.
I hear you and am not disagreeing. I just think there is money there if they saw it as a priority. I am not sure how many departments or agencies make it mandatory. Sometines lack if budget is just an excuse. They could drive one car for one more year and cover the body armor needs for most officers if not all in a small agency.

I would encourage you to request a copy of the county or city budget and take a look. You'd be surprised how your tax dollars are spent.

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