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Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:35 am

mojo84 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:23 am
Here's a twist, I disagree with the idea that one should be required to orally or verbally as some advocate in order to have them not open carry in the place of business. I believe it should be up to the property owner to decide how they want to interact and notify the customer.

OK, just curious. How else would a property owner notify someone that they don't like open carry, if they don't post a sign and also don't tell them orally or verbally? Are you thinking about posting a notice in the newspaper or something?

I would point out that currently a property owner is NOT required to orally or verbally notify anyone of anything. If a property owner doesn't like something, they can let people know however they want. If someone misses (or ignores) the notice, the property owner can ask them to leave. But if they want to be able to use the police that we all pay for (including the person they are having arrested), then the notification requirements should be extremely clear and unambiguous.

mayor wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:33 am

mojo84 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:13 am

mayor wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:07 am

I like the idea of just leaving and report a theft.

Give this a shot and let us know how it works out for you.

I didn't say it is a good idea.

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mayor wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:07 am

I like the idea of just leaving and report a theft.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:17 am

mojo84 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:51 am

oohrah wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:26 am In fact, 30.07 does NOT apply to Law Enforcement. It only applies to persons carrying under LTC.

That's why I said the cop wouldn't have thought the sign applied to him and it would not have helped in this situation.

Correct, and just to be clear, my position that they should post signage was not aimed at this particular incident with a LEO, but rather was aimed generally at Whataburger’s refusal to post 30.07 signs while still insisting on their property right to bar open carry from their stores. As long as they (A) take that position, and (B) refuse to post the signs, they are (C) NOT doing the right thing.

I absolutely agree with the proposition that it is their property, and therefore their right to keep open carry out of their stores. That’s not the issue for me. The issue is their refusal to acknoledge that they have some kind of moral obligation to give their paying customers the only kind of proper notice recognized by the law BEFORE that customer sets foot inside the store. That refusal has several negative outcomes for everyone concerned:

1. It places an employee in the position of having to confront an armed person about their weapon.
2. It’s embarrassing to the person who is armed - who may, after all, not be dressed in a manner where they can simply cover it up.
3. It creates controversy in the form of bad publicity for the gun rights crowd, and good publicity for the MAIG/MDA crowd.

Thus, it shows a profound disrespect for a segment of their customer base, and a casual disregard for their employees’ safety. Frankly, it comes off as their being afraid to face the music, and it’s a turn off. Don’t want open carry? Post the darn signs. What could be more simple than that?

oohrah wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:26 am In fact, 30.07 does NOT apply to Law Enforcement. It only applies to persons carrying under LTC.

spectre wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:22 pm

slowpoke wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:46 pm Whataburger has a policy of no open carry, but concealed is fine. Just like HEB.

It's just a dress code policy. Whataburger isn't anti gun. Concealed carry is fine. The guy should have complied with the dress code and covered up. Show some respect for private property rights and enjoy your meal. Instead he makes the news in a major metropolitan area because he won't follow the rules. This in-your-face activism doesn't win support and his extremist behavior sets their cause back and wastes political capital. On the heels of Art Acevedo and Tony Leal openly attacking Second Amendment rights for ordinary Americans, his antics just make things worse for his profession.

Steve W wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:54 pm

slowpoke wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:46 pm Whataburger has a policy of no open carry, but concealed is fine. Just like HEB.

I eat there at least once a week.... No signs up so how am I supposed to know their policies???

Whataburger said in a statement that it was reaching out to apologize to the detective about the "unfortunate misunderstanding" and that the company would work to retrain its employees on the open-carry policy.

"We want to make it clear that he and all law enforcement are welcome in our restaurants and we're proud to serve them," the statement said.

Whataburger has been praised in the past for taking quick action in similar situations. In October, the company fired an employee who cursed at two Denison officers and refused to serve them. Whataburger also fired a worker at a Lewisville restaurant who wouldn't serve a pair of officers in 2015.