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Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:58 pm
mojo84 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:45 pm
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6
This seems like a backwards way of looking at it. Keep in mind, there is opposition and public perception and ignorance is on the side of the gun control crowd. Sometimes a compromise or sacrifice has to made to protect the larger number of gun owners and rights.

What percentage of gunowners actually own bumpstocks? I know several that didn't even know what they were until Las Vegas.
The ATF estimate was 500,000 bump stocks. Some no doubt owned multiple, so fewer owners, but still in the hundreds of thousands. I agree that this is a low percentage of gun owners. In fact, the percentage is probably right down there with the percentage of gun owners who actually own suppressors (aka "silencers!"). Or the percentage that actually own body armor. Or the percentage that actually own reloading components. Or the percentage that own truly "high caliber" firearms in calibers greater than 30-06.

Should we expect the NRA to roll over when any of those things are targeted next?

It depends on the political climate at the time. If the choice is suppressors or all semiautomatic guns, then goodbye suppressors for now and we will live to fight another day to get them back. It's called compromise.

People seem to not understand the political climate changes that happens when a tragic shooting is carried out. Public perception is on the side of the anti gun crowd right after a mass shooting.

It appears a lot of people are ignoring the unprecedented attack Trump has been under by the left since before he took office and some RINOS and how rabid the gungrabbers get everytime there is a mass murder.

mojo84

Ruark wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:09 pm I still remember Trump's inauguration when he said "my first day in office, those gun-free zones will disappear." Uh, yeah, sure.....

Shouldn't have fallen for campaign rhetoric. It's not that easy. A President is not a dictator that can just override laws with presidential decree or orders. www.thetrace.org/2016/11/donald-trump-e ... ree-zones/

There are a lot things that are said during campaigns that are not practical our possible. Need to use discernment and common sense when evaluating what candidates say.. Here's a little secret, all candidates lie and promise things they can deliver but only influence.

mojo84

jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:41 pm
mojo84 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:50 pm
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
Of course I do not agree 100% with the NRA or any other organization. How about we have all three be strong advocates rather than hoping the "biggest and most powerful" "fallout"?

If 100% agreement and alignment is the standard, the we all need to leave our wives, jobs, friends, churches, etc. and start seeking the one we agree and align with 100%.
Well, we do have all three, however one of those three touts themselves a “strong advocate” but in the end is willing to settle.

Our wives, jobs, friends, churches, etc. aren’t being paid to represent our values and beliefs

To respond to your other post, we have compromised with every single piece of legislation restricting 2a rights, and in the end get absolutely nothing out of it other than a loss of rights. Compromise is not the answer, because in this situation compromise is a very slippery slope.

I don’t mean to sound rude, I just think it’s time for the NRA and gunowners to have a wakeup call. With that I’ve said everything I need to say about this subject and I’m out of this thread.
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Not every NRA sigle member believes the same about every single issue. I for one, do not like the bumpstock ban but would much rather lose that than all of my semi-auto rifles and pistols. A lot of pure hunters couldn't care less about concealed or open carry and they are NRA members. Matter of fact, my closest friend for over 25 years is a huge outdoorsman, NRA member and doesn't even own a handgun. With as a many members as the NRA has, it is impossible every single member is going to agree 100%.

mojo84

1911 Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:52 pm
mojo84 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:58 pm
1911 Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:53 pm
mojo84 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:45 pm
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6
This seems like a backwards way of looking at it. Keep in mind, there is opposition and public perception and ignorance is on the side of the gun control crowd. Sometimes a compromise or sacrifice has to made to protect the larger number of gun owners and rights.

What percentage of gunowners actually own bumpstocks? I know several that didn't even know what they were until Las Vegas.
All I know is we had a Republican President, a Republican Congress and the Hearing Protection Act was not passed. I support the NRA but not getting this done was a huge black eye for the NRA. The NRA has issues to many reports coming out and where there is smoke there is usually fire.
I blame the spineless RINO infested Congress for that more than I do the NRA. There were a lot of opportunities missed during Trump's first two years. As is coming to light, the deep state and obstruction of government was real.
I would tend to agree but I bet those spineless RINOs have A ratings from the NRA. NRA needs to better profile and assign ratings and when the actions don’t follow the words than immediate action needs to be taken to lower the rating.

I agree. This is why I caution against relying on just one resource for making voting decisions even though I repeatedly get pushback and scolding for my position. There are many things to consider when a citizen is trying to make voting decisions if good decisions are the objective. One resource and one issue is not enough.

mojo84

1911 Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:53 pm
mojo84 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:45 pm
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6
This seems like a backwards way of looking at it. Keep in mind, there is opposition and public perception and ignorance is on the side of the gun control crowd. Sometimes a compromise or sacrifice has to made to protect the larger number of gun owners and rights.

What percentage of gunowners actually own bumpstocks? I know several that didn't even know what they were until Las Vegas.
All I know is we had a Republican President, a Republican Congress and the Hearing Protection Act was not passed. I support the NRA but not getting this done was a huge black eye for the NRA. The NRA has issues to many reports coming out and where there is smoke there is usually fire.

I blame the spineless RINO infested Congress for that more than I do the NRA. There were a lot of opportunities missed during Trump's first two years. As is coming to light, the deep state and obstruction of government was real.

mojo84

jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.

Of course I do not agree 100% with the NRA or any other organization. How about we have all three be strong advocates rather than hoping the "biggest and most powerful" "fallout"?

If 100% agreement and alignment is the standard, the we all need to leave our wives, jobs, friends, churches, etc. and start seeking the one we agree and align with 100%.

mojo84

jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6

This seems like a backwards way of looking at it. Keep in mind, there is opposition and public perception and ignorance is on the side of the gun control crowd. Sometimes a compromise or sacrifice has to made to protect the larger number of gun owners and rights.

What percentage of gunowners actually own bumpstocks? I know several that didn't even know what they were until Las Vegas.

mojo84

Very disappointing.

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