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by Javier730
Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:40 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Asking for a friend
Replies: 27
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Re: Asking for a friend

ScottDLS wrote:As I suggested earlier and TAM agreed, it would be a really bad idea (i.e. violation of Forum Rule #3) to encourage said reformed felon to purchase a firearm in a private sale at a gun show or otherwise. :rules:
ScottDLS, I agree we should not encourage a reformed felon to purchase a firearm but TAM asked for some info and whether right or wrong he got the legality of it. Just like the marijuana dispensaries when they first came out (unsure if the law has changed since) it was legal on the state level not on the federal. This is a topic that needs to be addressed and possibly reworded at the federal level. It should be up to the state to decide this in my opinion.

What I am about to say is my opinion and if it's against forum rules mods please remove as it is not my intention to break any rules or stir anything up.

If I were a reformed felon in Texas and was looking for a home defense firearm, I would follow the states rules on obtaining one. If I ever needed to use it, it would be because some bad people were about to put my and my families lives in danger. The fact that I might put myself in legal problems would not be considered if someone was about to cause harm to my wife and son.

It's been said before and I'm gonna to say it again. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
by Javier730
Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:17 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Asking for a friend
Replies: 27
Views: 5094

Re: Asking for a friend

RPBrown wrote:I am going to throw a monkey wrench into all of this.
We know that the feds say no but Texas says he can have one in his home after 5 years. However, he cannot purchase one from a dealer, and as a private seller, if we know about his past, we cannot sell to him.
With this in mind, is he supposed to lie to a private seller in order to purchase a gun????
One of my first pistols I bought was at the Saxet. The guy selling had a table and had a sign that said private sale. His only requirement was that I show him a Texas ID.

If you are not sure about a guy you can either not sell it to him; have him fill a bill of sale stating he is not a person who cannot own, buy, receive, etc. firearms or run his background. As for lying to a seller about being a felon, that is up to the buyers ethics.
by Javier730
Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:58 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Asking for a friend
Replies: 27
Views: 5094

Re: Asking for a friend

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Javier730 wrote:In Texas a felon can own a firearm for home defense only after 5 years from his disposition date. No range time, or any other firearm using. It is still against federal law though kinda like the marijuana dispensaries were (or are).
I'm curious about the definition of premises, and whether it includes land as well as buildings. If the person lived on 10+ acres out in the boonies, then they could at least get in some practice, assuming that they are OK anywhere on their own land, and not just in a building.
Notice how they have their definition for "family", "household", and "member of household" but not "premises" in this section.
Sec. 46.04. UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARM. (a) A person who has been convicted of a felony commits an offense if he possesses a firearm:
(1) after conviction and before the fifth anniversary of the person's release from confinement following conviction of the felony or the person's release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision, whichever date is later; or
(2) after the period described by Subdivision (1), at any location other than the premises at which the person lives.
(b) A person who has been convicted of an offense under Section 22.01, punishable as a Class A misdemeanor and involving a member of the person's family or household, commits an offense if the person possesses a firearm before the fifth anniversary of the later of:
(1) the date of the person's release from confinement following conviction of the misdemeanor; or
(2) the date of the person's release from community supervision following conviction of the misdemeanor.
(c) A person, other than a peace officer, as defined by Section 1.07, actively engaged in employment as a sworn, full-time paid employee of a state agency or political subdivision, who is subject to an order issued under Section 6.504 or Chapter 85, Family Code, under Article 17.292 or Chapter 7A, Code of Criminal Procedure, or by another jurisdiction as provided by Chapter 88, Family Code, commits an offense if the person possesses a firearm after receiving notice of the order and before expiration of the order.
(d) In this section, "family," "household," and "member of a household" have the meanings assigned by Chapter 71, Family Code.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third degree. An offense under Subsection (b) or (c) is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) For the purposes of this section, an offense under the laws of this state, another state, or the United States is, except as provided by Subsection (g), a felony if, at the time it is committed, the offense:
(1) is designated by a law of this state as a felony;
(2) contains all the elements of an offense designated by a law of this state as a felony; or
(3) is punishable by confinement for one year or more in a penitentiary.
(g) An offense is not considered a felony for purposes of Subsection (f) if, at the time the person possesses a firearm, the offense:
(1) is not designated by a law of this state as a felony; and
(2) does not contain all the elements of any offense designated by a law of this state as a felony.
It is not in the same section but there is a definition for "premises" in this chapter but it says "for the purposes of this section."
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view, unless the person is licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and the handgun is carried in a shoulder or belt holster; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.
If the same applies to the other section, I would say a felon shooting on his acreage would not be legal as the section defines premises as being used as living quarters. Maybe an indoor range with some beds. :biggrinjester: IANAL.
by Javier730
Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:14 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Asking for a friend
Replies: 27
Views: 5094

Re: Asking for a friend

casp625 wrote:
longhorn86 wrote:
Javier730 wrote:In Texas a felon can own a firearm for home defense only after 5 years from his disposition date. No range time, or any other firearm using.

Could you please quote the statutes that outline this?
Sec. 46.04. UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARM. (a) A person who has been convicted of a felony commits an offense if he possesses a firearm:
(1) after conviction and before the fifth anniversary of the person's release from confinement following conviction of the felony or the person's release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision, whichever date is later; or
(2) after the period described by Subdivision (1), at any location other than the premises at which the person lives.
Thanks casp625, you beat me to it.
TxRVer wrote: Form 4473 asks if you have ever been convicted of a felony. If you can answer yes, it's illegal for you to buy a firearm.
Yup that's why he would have to get it through a private sale or have his rights restored.
by Javier730
Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:16 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Asking for a friend
Replies: 27
Views: 5094

Re: Asking for a friend

TreyHouston wrote:I would tell your frient to go in and try to buy one. I am not the one to sit and twiddle my thumbs thinking about the what if's.... You may not know how to get there just keep taking one step after another and you'll eventually get it done
He would have to get it through a private sale and have it delivered to his home.
by Javier730
Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:03 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Asking for a friend
Replies: 27
Views: 5094

Re: Asking for a friend

In Texas a felon can own a firearm for home defense only after 5 years from his disposition date. No range time, or any other firearm using. It is still against federal law though kinda like the marijuana dispensaries were (or are).

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