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92f-fan wrote: I live outside Dallas and since participating in this conversation have been keeping track
I often have a 65 mile round trip commute from Carrollton to Grand Prairie - most of which is on the 190 toll road
Yesterday I saw 2 motorcycles and a trike. the first motorcycle was heard coming fast in the middle shut down lane - passed me and every one else at approximately 100-110 or more weaving recklessly. The second was the trike I should have taken a picture - it was a home made wonder with HUGE car tires on the back and looked to by 10 feet long. It was wobbling side to side with the weight of the 2 passengers. If that passed inspection we need better rules. 3rd was another that I heard before I saw, passed me between the lanes seemed to be going half again as fast as I was ( i was likely going 70-75 ). Again weaving and acting a fool at crazy speeds.

So yesterdays percentage was 66% of the motorcycles / trikes seen were willfully and intentionally disregarding the rules of the road. And risking my life doing it. If we only count the bikes and leave the home made trike to the entropy that awaits it then its 100%..

This is pretty typical. The 190 toll road is not running in the "bad sections " of Dallas would have to check map to see if I ever even passed through Dallas proper. I wasn't driving during rush hour and I likely was in traffic with many hundreds of "cages" as they are so angrily referred. The cage drivers by comparison were angels

Just a couple of observations...I think all of us need to realize our perceptions are based just on the behaviors WE actually OBSERVE...so, when we are driving along at the "normal" highway speeds, the only out of ordinary drivers we see are those that are going slower or faster than we are. While you observed 3 motorcycles during that commute, there may have been a hundred more that were driving at about the same speed as you, somewhere in front or behind, operating normally, that you would never see. I've never thought of the "cage" term as being an angry reference, but I don't ever use it myself...just viewed it as "biker slang"...most all bikers I know also drive "cages"...more often than their bikes.

talltex

AlaskanInTexas wrote:
tommyg wrote:I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)
Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

I've been riding since I was 12 years old, and I'm sickened by what happened to the Lien family, but that 75% number is just ridiculous overall...although your experience may very well be skewed by where and when you are encountering them. Come on down to the country and you'll have a much different perception. I'd really be surprised if you came up with the 1% that tommyg mentioned. I honestly just don't see any of it here, and I'm out on the roads all around this area in my truck every day of the week.

talltex

texanjoker wrote:
chasfm11 wrote:
Vol Texan wrote:This is such a long thread now, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet...

Apparently there were several off-duty NYPD officers among the mob of bikers, and not a single one intervened to stop this from happening.

One of them may have been undercover, and feared exposing himself. I don't know enough about his situation to challenge his decision, but the others' inaction (if they were simply off-duty, and not undercover) is absolutely unforgivable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html
Another interesting question is: were any of the off duty officers participating in the rampant and repetitive violations of the traffic laws that are detailed in the videos? Since they were present at the beat down, they must have been part of the group that chased down the SUV.
If they were on official undercover business with the gang and had to go along with the gang to maintain their relationship with it, that's one thing. If they are voluntary members of the gang and pulled all of those traffic violation stunts, that is quite another.
They have now suspended the undercover which I find interesting because he didn't come forward immediately.

http://www.policeone.com/officer-miscon ... ike-rally/

The article stated that any undercover officer that observes a crime committed while undercover is required to report it immediately...he waited 4 days. Yesterday I watched an interview with one of the "civilians" that stepped in to stop the beating, and is seen in the video wearing a dark sportcoat standing between the bikers and Mr. Lien who is laying on the ground. He said that one of the bikers had both hands on the wife and was trying to pull her out of the vehicle and some women bystanders were yelling "no...not the woman...leave her alone...not her or the baby". He said there was not doubt his intention was harm her. He also said the ones that pulled Lien out were hitting him repeatedly with their helmets on his body and head after they had him down on the pavement. If there were any officers present, that stood by and did nothing to try and stop it, they need to be fired. I understand they have "no legal duty to protect", but they do not need to be wearing a badge. Their mere presence, riding with a stunt mob intentionally violating numerous traffice laws, is a whole other issue to be looked at.

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