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I understand where you’re coming from Vic, but for me, when the “target� is so close I’m firing from a close retention position, I don’t have time, nor need to take the time to find the little red or green dot.

If I’m firing from retention, it’s because my opponent is within 3-4 feet of me…and most likely my left hand is in contact with them. Under that situation it’s pretty hard not to land hits COM.

Next time you’re out at the range give it a try. Walk up to the target and stop when it’s at arm’s reach or a little beyond. Draw and fire from a close retention (be sure to cant the weapon a little so it won't bind in your shirt). Use the pressure of the butt against your side to "index" the weapon. Until you’re comfortable with this technique practice by dry firing.

Once you switch to live rounds keep your weak hand pinned to your chest until you’re confident in your ability. Also, wear very good hearing protection. Since your head is either even with, or a little in front of the muzzle and only a couple of feet away, it gets very loud.

I think you’ll find it’s very easy to put metal on COM every time…all without a sighting aid.

Hey Jeremy, welcome to the forum. Nice post, well thought out and articulated. I look forward to reading more from you in the future

I am both pro and con lasers. For my AR equipped with night vision the laser is invaluable, especially the IR one. I can keep the NV goggles on my head where there more useful instead of on the weapon where they are less effective.

For CCW use (outside the home), I’m not impressed with lasers. The internal lasers are typically too hard to turn on, and the fight is over before you get them in the game. Rail mounted still have the problem of turning them on, and they add bulk to your CCW and drastically limit your holster choices.

For CCW Laser Grips are probably the only real choice. They don’t “bulk up� the pistol and can use standard holsters. The on button is located where the majority of users will automatically activate the laser during the act of drawing, so they’re on when you need them.

For me, I have a problem with indexing my trigger finger. The location I index on is right in front of the laser lens, so I block the laser. After decades of training myself to index it’s so ingrained there’s no chance of changing it, so the laser is of very limited use to me.

I also seem to be slower when using the laser. During practice sessions, the laser slows me down by ~1/10 second when firing two handed or strong hand only inside 7 yards. Inside 3 yards I point shoot, so the laser slows me down even more while I locate the dot.

When I switch to off-hand (let’s assume my strong hand has been taken out of action) the laser is a distinct advantage and increases my hit accuracy.

I know some folks that are absolutely convinced on the benefits of laser for clearing their house. Aside from the discussion of is it smart to clear your house by yourself, they feel it gives them an advantage in the typical extremely low light situation most would face when hunting an uninvited guest in their house.

I personally don’t care for the idea since I feel it telegraphs your presence to the bad guys. While you’re pieing the door, the laser is telling everyone in the room exactly which door your about to enter from. The darker the room, the more obvious the laser dot is.

With the exception of my rifles for night work, my lasers have become safe queens.