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seamusTX wrote:

Dragonfighter wrote:How can I "...intentionally, knowingly or recklessly..." carry a concealed handgun where > 51% of sales is for on premise consumption if it is not posted? ... That said it would probably be considered "reckless" to carry into a place called "Blue Moon Lounge" or something akin to it, whether it was posted or not.

Exactly. Every adult pretty much knows what a bar is on sight.

Also keep in mind that in order to be arrested, a sequence of events must occur that leads to the police arriving. Most of the time, that includes the CHL holder acting carelessly or rashly.

- Jim

I understand what you're saying, but it's not always that simple.

For example, inthe city of McKinney there are not supposed to be any "bars". The city will approve a business that sells alcohol for on site consumption but they must derive more than 51% of their income from food sales. Several businesses in McKinney sell a lot of alcohol for on site consumption, and if you entered those businesses on a weekend night you would think that there's no way they could be anything other than a "51% bar", yet they are not posted 51%.

For a steak house it's easy to sell more food than alcohol and still have high alcohol sales doe to the high price of food, but for a "sports bar" type of place with food I don't know how they manage to sell more bar food than booze in some of these places. One little sports bar near me does $80K-$100K per month in alcohol sales and their menu is typical inexpensive bar food. The place is packed daily with drinkers. It's not posted 51%. Something seems fishy.

I suspect that some of these businesses are not being completely honest (there's no way one bar close to my house sells more food than alcohol) in their reporting in order to maintain their license, and some of them probably should be posted as 51% establishments, but if they are reporting their numbers in a way that allows them to not be a 51% establishment and they do not post a red 51% sign then I assume that a CHL holder is legal to carry in that establishment.