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cyphur wrote:

Thumper wrote:I love my Rem 7005R. It will ring 10" plates at 1000 all day long. (Sometimes, it will even do it with me shooting it).

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I like the .308 round for that distance and below. Were I inclined to start shooting at ranges longer than that, I would probably look at a setup in .338LM.

If you do not mind, what glass and bolt knob do you have on there? Turrets look like NF....

Looking to put some temp glass on my .308 for load development and to work up to 500 yards, while saving for a Vortex PST or Razor(or maybe a NF if I decide FFP is not a requirement).

It is a NF. But I have question for you. Why rule out NF just because of FFP? NF offers the F1 scopes which are FFP.

jlcoulton wrote:Don't rule out the AR platform a semi-auto at long range has the benefits of fast follow-up shots. I have three rifles designated as tacticle, the first is a DPMS Panther Bull Special with a 6.5 x 20 power mil-dot reticle scope used for close range (out to 600 yards with the 73 grain berger's), the second is a DPMS LR308 with the same Leupold scope for mid-range and the third is an M40A1 in 300 win mag built by Mike Lau at Texas Brigade Armory with a Leupold 8.5 x 25 30mm scope with Mil-dot reticle for when you really need to reach out and touch someone. The DPMS ARs are extreamly accurate right out of the box, I have shoot 1 1/2 inch groups at 500 yards with the Panther Bull Special. I also have many Savage rifles and they are also remarkably accurate so you can't go wrong there either.

This as well. But do understand that a semi-auto is less forgiving then a bolt action. You have to be much more consistent with your form in order to make one shine.

Beiruty wrote:

Longshot38 wrote:Burris makes a decent scope for decent money. And the Eliminator is pretty good optic. However I have a problem with it. What happens if the electronics fail? Have you considered that? While the automation is cool, it does not lend itself well to learning about LR shooting. One of the most important skills to learn as rifleman is ballistics. You need to understand the math behind it and the characteristics of the bullet in flight and on impact at different distances/velocities. The Burris Eliminator does not blend well to these ideas. Also it is not designed for a serious marksman. External ballistics have a lot to do with atmospheric conditions and the Eliminator does not take this into account. The flight path of the bullet can see significant changes based on elevation, humidity, atmospheric density, air temperature, and wind. These, among other factors, need to be taken into consideration when engaging targets at distance.

My recommendation stands. Quality glass and FFP ranging reticle with matching turrets. Some of favorites are the Vortex Razor and Viper PST lines, IOR, SWFA Super Snipers, Premier, S&B, and Hensoldt. They all offer the above mentioned features and are quality products backed by good companies. Some of these are high dollar optics and others are more budget minded. So there is something for everyone.

What you are suggesting, in a nutshell, enroll in USMC sniper school. Free of Charge thanks to our Tax Dollars, free Ammo too. One can still use the reticule on the Eliminator if the battery died. When do have not to forget that we need a spotter with a very nice optics too.

Not really but if it floats ones boat sure joining the joining the military is an honorable endevour. What I am suggesting is to become a complete rifleman prior to getting all the neat wiz-bang gear. Ones has to crawl before they walk. I learn all these things without military service, so can others. External ballistics are far from a military secret. In fact at least one competitive shooting rachet is dedicated to just such things, it is called the PRS series.

As for the reticle in the Eliminator. Yes it can be used as a POI if the electronics fail. But what it can't do is be used as a ranging reticle, nor does it give you hold overs, which are more then a minor detail in the world of LR shooting. Thus the reticle is a complete and utter failure for the purpose proposed.

Burris makes a decent scope for decent money. And the Eliminator is pretty good optic. However I have a problem with it. What happens if the electronics fail? Have you considered that? While the automation is cool, it does not lend itself well to learning about LR shooting. One of the most important skills to learn as rifleman is ballistics. You need to understand the math behind it and the characteristics of the bullet in flight and on impact at different distances/velocities. The Burris Eliminator does not blend well to these ideas. Also it is not designed for a serious marksman. External ballistics have a lot to do with atmospheric conditions and the Eliminator does not take this into account. The flight path of the bullet can see significant changes based on elevation, humidity, atmospheric density, air temperature, and wind. These, among other factors, need to be taken into consideration when engaging targets at distance.

My recommendation stands. Quality glass and FFP ranging reticle with matching turrets. Some of favorites are the Vortex Razor and Viper PST lines, IOR, SWFA Super Snipers, Premier, S&B, and Hensoldt. They all offer the above mentioned features and are quality products backed by good companies. Some of these are high dollar optics and others are more budget minded. So there is something for everyone.

Over the years I have owned and run many different rifles from different manufacturers in many different calibers. If you have money to play with forget factory rifles but get a quality custom. A custom rifle offers things that can not be had on a factory rifle and they are worth every penny of investment. However if you are looking for something more economical then factory can get you there. In the world of factory rifles Tika offers the best fit and finish straight from the factory and the actions are buttery smooth. Savage makes good rifles that are know for excellent accuracy out of the box but their actions are far from smooth. Remington makes a decent rifle that has the most after market support but their machine work leaves something to be desired. On your optics choice I recommend staying away from hunting style optics. They work and have accomplished their desired task for many years, but the tech you see in most hunting optics is long out of date. For LR shooting you want an optic that offers good quality glass, a ranging first focal plane reticle, and turrets that match the reticle. I can give you a long explanation about the reticle and turret thing, but it is something one doesn't fully appreciate until they actually spend time behind a rifle engaging targets at distance. Thus just trust me here, it is a feature you will want.