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viking1000 wrote:After January 1, if this happens, we should have a place to post those businesses that do not allow us in .

The Annoyed Man wrote:Back when CHL first passed, there was no 30.06 codicil, and so even if some business owner were anti-gun, he would not have been read up on being able to keep people out with a 30.06 sign. But, 30.06 signs have been in existence for a LONG time now, and the one thing that has kept more of them from being posted is simply that if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind.

However, things are more politically polarized than ever these days, and the debates over open carry did not occur in a vaccum....... including details such as 30.07 signage since it is part of the law that was passed, unlike with original CHL law and 30.06. I wonder what impact that is going to have on the posting of signage. Will people who are motivated to post 30.07 signs also go the extra trouble to post 30.06 if they haven't already? Will they do nothing until the first time someone carries openly into their business? Will they carry on as before and do nothing?

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However, the "damage" will have been done as, once the signs have been posted, they are not likely to be taken down ever again. So the question that interests me is to what extent business owners will react this way.

• I think some businesses fall into the 'never really thought about it' category, so they never posted a sign, and never knew that we were walking in all the time, fully armed. These folks may (if they are of a certain mindset) start posting 30.07 signs if they see a lot of open carry folks.
  Will they also post 30.06? Perhaps, but perhaps not. After all, as you say,"if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind."
  • I, for one, if asked what sign would be required to ban this "open carry thing", would answer only about the 30.07 language. Never in the past have I ever advised anyone about 30.06, and never will...but I figure if they get the answer that 30.07 solves their problem, and then they act on it with no further research of their own, then 30.07 is all that will get posted.
    In this case, we've gained nothing, and lost nothing.
  • Left to their own devices, they might learn about the 'other' sign as well, and we don't want that.
    In that case, then we've lost CC in a previously acceptable location.
• Some of these businesses (for example: the jewelry store in the Houston Heights area that bears my wife's name) will never be bothered by open carriers, unless she gets a bunch of long-gun open carriers trying to prove some point (OCT anyone?), and she'll simply ask them to leave, and not make her business a focal point of their childish campaign. You won't see any signage on her store, and I think there may be lots of small businesses in this category.
  In this case, we've gained OC in a place that already allowed CC, but lost nothing.
• Others will have had 30.06 signs for a long time. I'm VERY certain that all of these will post 30.07 immediately upon seeing the first open carrier in their store.
  • My hope is that when doing so, they forget to change their 30.06 sign as well. The end result is that a lot of old places that previously banned CC would be opened up to us finally.
    In this case, we gained CC only in a place previously prohibited, and lost nothing.
  • If they post both signs properly then so be it.
    In this case, we've gained nothing, and lost nothing.