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by Vol Texan
Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:03 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...
Replies: 85
Views: 19557

Re: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...

Unocat wrote:
thetexan wrote: Let's play a little game.

I tell you to get off my property or I will press trespass charges against you. You leave and come back 10 minutes later. Does the warning you received 10 minutes ago still apply? What if you come back 20 minutes later? How about an hour later? 5 hours? 24 hours? 2 days later? At what point are you willing to draw the line legally? Sort of like determining when life begins. Somewhere between conception and birth. Since there is no case law that I can find (which is odd since there is lots of trespassing case law) you would have to choose between one of two possibilities...one...that one notified it is permanent unless revoked in the future...or two...that there is a timed out limit to the warning. Since you can't prove #two you must assume #one.

That's why most people want to avoid being verbally told. If I were told I would later try to mitigate that with them by clarifying if they meant for just a short time or what...only to save me from a permanent ban. It probably wouldn't work but I might try.
I'll play your game - If your statement were true I would still be in my room from when I was grounded. If your statement were true a soldier would have to march on indefinitely unless being told to halt. It is a fun philosophical game! :banghead:

I personally would honor any instructions that were given to me by a legal owner of a property. I am curious why so many people are seem to be bent out of shape on this forum. I must admit I am new here and found it after looking at the postings on the Tecas3006 site. It seem to me there are a lot of people here that are anti open carry. I guess I need to stop posting and read some more posts on this forum to understand it and not anger anyone.
Reductio ad absurdum
by Vol Texan
Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:00 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...
Replies: 85
Views: 19557

Re: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...

TVGuy wrote:
viking1000 wrote:
TVGuy wrote:
viking1000 wrote:I am sure some where out there is a 3 X 5 index card attached to a business with 3007 lnfo on it.
Not following what you're saying.
A 3 X 5 inch index card placed on a door would not surprise me, that is all I am saying..
If these businesses have surveillance cameras they should be able to spot who is placing the signs after hours.
Gotcha. Frankly, after seeing what they do and from personal experience, I wouldn't put it past them to put up full sized signs.
Small, undersized signs, albeit unenforceable, do have a strong deterrent effect on those of us that are legal. For instance, every Fiesta store I've seen (and I've only been to a couple) have small, undersized signs posted on their doors.

So what happens if I walk inside while OC? I could be simply asked to leave. I could get the cops called on me. In the turmoil of either of those, the store manager may learn that they've posted incorrectly, and may revisit their posting guidelines...and choose to post 30.06 as well.

It's better for me, and for all of us, when seeing an undersized or incorrectly posted 30.07 sign, to obey it as if it were posted validly. Simply walking by an invalid 30.07 sign has a lot more implications than walking past an invalid 30.06 sign (which many of us do on a regular basis).

And back to the idea of rogue people posting these signs...I hope that someone finds the way to impose the full weight of law upon them for their actions.

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