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VMI77 wrote: It's pretty clear that his real crime was failing to bow low enough to the police and city tax authority. The cops decided to teach him a lesson by arresting him. I doubt that any of them intended to kill him, but it didn't bother them in the least that they did....no one even attempted to render aid...and the cop who killed him flipped off the crowd afterwards. And it's my understanding that the only indictment the DA managed to get is of the guy who took the video. You might like that kind of "law enforcement" but that's not the kind of country I want to live in. In my view, there is something seriously wrong with any government under which you can end up dead for the mere act of selling a legal item without the government's sanction or permission. And when it's on the scale of a single cigarette you're living under a government that has lost its sanity. It is certainly not a "free" country.

VMI77 wrote:Here's another test....what would happen if, say, Mr. Garner pushed you, and you took him down in the exact same manner, and he died just like he did in this incident? What are your chances of walking away without a trial? My bet is zero unless you've got blue privilege. The police aren't supposed to be above the law. If you or I would stand trial for the same action they should too. In fact, the police, since they're trained, have backup, and get the latitude granted by the public trust, should be held to a HIGHER standard than the rest of us....if not under the law itself, then by the departments they work for.

cb1000rider wrote:

ScooterSissy wrote: No one killed anyone for selling cigarettes. Resisting arrest is what got him killed.

Still, without this ridiculous level of micro-management legislation, this incident wouldn't have happened.
I'd be more understanding if he was smuggling cigarettes in from Indian reservations (or neighboring states) and selling bulk - but we've got legislation that prevents the sale of single cigarettes? And we enforce it? Seriously?

This is what we pay our government officials to spend their time doing... And create a situation where our PDs are looking at this level of stuff in a city as large as this one?

VMI77 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:By the way, I understand that a single pack of cigarettes in NYC, with the city, state and federal taxes runs about $14.00. That would make a carton cost around $140.00. That's what has spurred the sale of single cigarettes, smuggled from neighboring states. I can remember buying a pack of cigarettes as a teenager for a quarter. Some of this problem can be placed on outrageous tax laws. The cops don't get to pick and choose the laws they must enforce (well, unless they're Holder or Obama).

Actually they do. Always have and always will, since like every other organization on the planet, the resources available to them put constraints on their activities. But hey, since they've solved all the violent crime, thefts, and rapes, I guess they got plenty of resources to arrest and kill people for selling cigarettes. On, and btw, according to witnesses, the officer who killed this guy flipped off the crowd after he did it. What does that say about attitude?

anygunanywhere wrote:

n5wd wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:Choke holds are no longer taught in the academy. We now use lateral vascular neck restraint. It is NOT a choke hold but it does put the person to sleep by cutting off blood flow to the brain.

Great. This makes me feel all safe and warm.

Don't resist arrest and you won't find out how well it works.

I am not worried about me.

Individuals utilizing techniques that "cut off blood flow to the brain" are using techniques that are potentially deadly, and to state in a cavalier manner that this common and no big deal is obscene.

When I was a paramedic we did everything in our power and skill to maintain "blood flow to the brain" but LEO are trained to interrupt the person's life sustaining blood flow as a means of controlling them? People are ok with this?