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by ScooterSissy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:20 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 119927

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Rrash wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:
That underlined part is where they would be stuck. One of the communications described in 30.06 is verbal.
The problem, however, is that the penalty will only apply to signage that has been left up. It will not pose any penalty to anyone who gives verbal warning.
Charles has indicated (if memory serves me) that locations that regularly violate the new law, even if they remove the violation within the time frame, could still be subject to the fine.
Please feel free to correct me if I'm not understanding this correctly.
by ScooterSissy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 119927

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Rrash wrote:I understand verbal notice isn't enforceable, but there is nothing in SB273 that prohibits a gov't from attempting to prohibit lawful carry by giving verbal warnings. It simply says they can't post signs. If you are asked to leave and even regardless of whether or not you are breaking any laws, couldn't they claim you are trespassing? My point is that I could see some government owned properties trying to intimidate and abuse by giving a verbal warning, even calling police and disarming the CHL holder, threatening arrest, etc., whether lawful or not.
Actually, that's not the way I read it.
A state agency or a political subdivision of the state may not provide notice by a communication described by Section 30.06, Penal Code, or by any sign expressly referring to that law or to a concealed handgun license, that a license holder carrying a handgun under the authority of this subchapter is prohibited from entering or remaining on a premises or other place owned or leased by the governmental entity unless license holders are prohibited from carrying a handgun on the premises or other place by Section 46.03 or 46.035, Penal Code.
That underlined part is where they would be stuck. One of the communications described in 30.06 is verbal.
by ScooterSissy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 119927

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Rrash wrote:Another scenario we could likely see from the guilty cities is to remove signage, but still verbally give notice. While it may not happen to concealed carriers unless going through a metal detector, I would think it will happen often to everyone that chooses to open carry. I'm not really sure if there is a way to defend against it. Charles, would this be something that might be addressed in 2017?
I would ask the person's first and last name, and exactly what gives them authority to give me notice. After they gave me their name and position, I would thank them, and let them know that's who I will name in my formal letter of complaint to the state's attorney.
by ScooterSissy
Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 119927

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

I plan to start attending gun shows in Fort Worth again, just to take pictures and go home. I'll actually pay to attend if/when they stop posting. I find it completely hypocritical for gun shows to post 30.06 signs, but that's just me.

I'm going make it obvious that I'm taking pictures of the signs, and hope someone asks me why.
by ScooterSissy
Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 119927

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Can you make this a "sticky" on here as well, so it is easy to find? This is a bill I've been hoping for since I first got my CHL.

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