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by Jaguar
Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:48 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate
Replies: 18
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Re: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate

The Annoyed Man wrote:What he said. They won't kill it. They simply won't consider it, leaving it tabled for a more favorable Senate. This is one reason why it is crucial that conservatives/libertarians replace liberals/democrats in the Senate. If we can get a 2/3 majority, we can bring it to a vote and kill it permanently.
Actually all it would take is a majority to kill it, once conservatives take over the senate they gain control of the committees, and then can push it to the floor to die, even 51-49 vote will kill it.

:fire Die treaty die! :reddevil
by Jaguar
Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:38 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate
Replies: 18
Views: 2453

Re: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate

Superman wrote:
Jaguar wrote:Well, I did reply to this issue in the other thread, but allow me to repeat myself.
Thanks for the response! I found your original after looking further. For future reference, you can link directly to your response (instead of just to the thread itself) by clicking on the link at the top of your reply...it will link to it like this: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 51#p856682

Thanks again...your response helped me understand!
You're welcome, and yeah I know about the link to post, but thought it needed repeating. :thumbs2:
by Jaguar
Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:07 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate
Replies: 18
Views: 2453

Re: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate

Well, I did reply to this issue in the other thread, but allow me to repeat myself.

Here is why I believe Obama, via his designated representative John Kerry, signed the UN Gun Treaty.

The signing does not make it law. What it means is Obama believes the treaty is a good idea and commits the administration to seeking ratification. The next step is to send the treaty to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations with a package of documents to go along with the treaty, including policy benefits and potential risks to the US, significant regulatory impact, analysis of the issues surrounding the treaty's implementation, whether it needs domestic implementing legislation or regulations to abide by the treaty, along with Reservations, Understandings, and/or Declarations (RUDS).

At this point the Senate Foreign Relations Committee can begin its consideration. It can vote to send the treaty to the full Senate for action. It can also decide to ignore the treaty entirely. However, if the Committee fails to act on the treaty, it is not returned to the President. Treaties, unlike other legislative measures, remain available to the Senate from one Congress to the next, until they are actively disposed of or withdrawn by the President.

I believe Harry Reid (D-NV) plans to have the Senate Foreign Relations Committee sit on the treaty until such a time as either the makeup of the Senate changes or, heaven forbid, there is another Sandy Hook type shooting and passions run high. It would be at that point, and maybe even with some trickery by calling in session without opponents present, that they would pass the treaty from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (chaired by Robert Menendez, D-NJ) to the Senate and by hook or by crook pass this monstrosity and send it back to Obama for implementation.

I believe they know that with the current makeup of the Senate there is no chance to pass this, but this doesn’t mean they cannot sit on the treaty and hope for something to change. Remember, Obama believes this to be a “good idea”, or else it would not have been signed, so all they require to pass it is the opportunity.

Also, it takes 2/3 of Senators present to pass a treaty. Look at the map of the Senate, should a super Katrina like event slam into Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, and Alabama, 13 Republicans could go home to help their constituents leaving the Senate with 53 Democrats, 32 Republicans, and 2 Independents making a vote 55-32, or 63%, not quite there, but sprinkle in a few RINOs in and poof, a ratified UN Treaty on Small Arms becomes law of the United States.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance – and unless we can get this voted on and solidly rejected it could sit there until the time is right, and when the time is right I would expect the Marxist Party to pounce on it. Look at the proposed laws that come up after Sandy Hook and before the bodies were even laid to rest, don’t believe it is beneath them.
by Jaguar
Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:30 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UN Arms Trade Treaty DOA in US Senate
Replies: 18
Views: 2453

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