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gigag04 wrote:

stevie_d_64 wrote:

HankB wrote:I learned a rule of thumb (take it for what its worth)...For every drink you intake it is a 10% drop in physical and cognative reasoning skills...Ignoring the metabolic rates for different people, for sake of argument...

Here is the engineer/business guy in me.

start at 100%

1 drink - 90%

2 drinks - 81%

3 drinks - 72.9%

etc.

Unless you assume you lose another 10% from the entire "sobberness."

But if you just use the rule flat, then one drink you lose 10% of 100%,
another and you lose 10% of 90%, another you lose 10% of 81%....


just thinking instead of working. None of this really matters anyway.

An expotential loss...Thats a good way to fare out the curve...10% of the 10% of the 10%...

The engineer in me wants to study this, crunch the numbers on a spreadsheet, then graph it out...

Then input variables in like body type, body fat, male, female, temperature, humidity, time of day, etc etc...

See what you just did...Thanks...

HankB wrote:Drunks ought not be driving cars or using guns. Absolutely agree with this. If you're even slightly "tipsy" stay off the road and leave your guns alone.

But I don't see that having a single beer or one glass of wine is going to make a responsible person untrustworthy with a firearm.

Intoxication is a subjective condition, meaning it is a different condition for each person...

I learned a rule of thumb (take it for what its worth)...For every drink you intake it is a 10% drop in physical and cognative reasoning skills...Ignoring the metabolic rates for different people, for sake of argument...

So if 100%, is considered fully functional/sober...And if you equate the sobriety levels in 10% increments...

After 5 drinks (you may) you could be a 50% capability, or maybe at a .05 BAC...

So if you want to think you are "good" at .01 (90% capability) or .02 (80% capability)...I can go with that logic...

But just remember everyone doesn't hold their liquor the same way...

I'm only saying this in respect for everyone's opinion on this issue...

I think this is one of the best discussions we've had on this website so far...

Baytown wrote:If you are asking if I have gotten a conviction when the DWI was under .08, yes. I have gotten many when they refused to blow.

HankB, my point was if we wanted to set a numeric figure, then there should be an implied consent provision.

Glenn

This is where I absolutely agree with you...

The level of intoxication had to be set somewhere...So that a proper prosecution and defence could be implemented...

Thats why I negate the whole process...If I am going to be driving and carrying, I don't drink alcoholic beverages...

The alternative is that I become a passenger, or unarmed...(for a short period of time)...

But thats just me, and its not that big a stretch for me to be that way either...

Baytown wrote:I guess one could compare Chas. idea with the fact that if a drunk has a car at his disposal, but is not driving it, there is no enhancement of the PI.

Good point on that. I can see the logic, if you are drunk and have a gun, and you are able to control yourself, then why is it an issue?

If you are drunk and you and your gun pose a problem, then drop the hammer. I can see that.

Glenn

And my wife says I'm hard headed.

Glenn

We wouldn't be here if we had minds of mush, would we...

I would go so far to say I am in good company...

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Now for the real world. We are in a problem solving mode with our friends in Austin and 46.035(d) isn't going to be perceived as a problem, so this is really an academic discussion. You guys have forced me back to the books though. At my age, when the baby lawyers see me doing research, they just start laughing and ask why I didn't tell them to do it.

Its a true sign of wisdom and professionalism, and should be evaluated as a sign of seriousness of purpose...

When I have to dig back into the engineering books, and all the whipper-snappers see that...I just tell them I have forgotten more than you'll ever know...But I know where to get back up to speed if I need to...

I like real world issues...It balances out, and sometimes supercedes, all the bull everyone else (MTV crowd) thinks is real...

Go get 'em Chas!!!

I'm with MoJo on this one...

I had heard one time that one drink (depending on the varying body types and metabolism rates) can effect cognative motor skills by .01 of that measurable sobriety chart...Of course you can factor in time and other disgestable intake like meals and other substances...

But then again, why risk it...

I certainly won't tell someone not to drink...Because I do it from time to time...I just don't drive, or operate chainsaws after drinking...