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frankie_the_yankee wrote:That's why we, in what I would call "the self defense movement" need to do our best to make our case and inculcate our values into the larger society.

Bingo!

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

stevie_d_64 wrote: "If he (owner) had just left the (alleged assailant) alone, and just call the cops, no one would have gotten killed."

For years I have had this nagging little feeling that there is this general consensus in the general non-carrying public, and maybe within the very slim fringes within our own community that if you "verbally" instruct someone to stop doing something forceful, or potentially injurous or deadly to someone else, you are escalating the situation...Therefore you are creating a situation that forces you to react possibly with the use of deadly force (extreme)...

It is just something that bugs me a little bit about this, and a few other incidents over the years...

Oh it's more than a nagging feeling to me. I'd consider it pretty much the lay of the land in much of the country, including the so-called (self-annointed) "elites".

I could rant for page after droning page on this, but the short treatment is that the "non-confrontational" philosophy is in essence an elaborate effort for people to rationalize their own cowardice.

Ironically enough, the purveyors of avoiding confronation, of choosing a strategy of abject surrender ("give them what they want and they won't hurt you"), and of "letting the police do their jobs" (when they do not really know what those jobs actually are), tend to be the same people who make a big deal of the importance of having high "self esteem".

So how much self esteem is exhibited by immediately surrendering to the demands of a criminal attacker?

I think that most of us on this forum actually do have high self esteem. We hold ourselves in such high regard that we are not willing to "outsource" the protection of our very lives, and the lives of those important to us, to "hired help".

Read "A Nation of Cowards" by Jeffrey Snyder for a full treatment of this idea.

Nope, not necessary...You nailed it...No need to drone on page after page...

I do not believe there is a real perveyance of shoot first, ask questions later mentality...There is an assertiveness, a confidence, that is based upon a good understanding of the law and our station concerning real life issues and situations that may come into our small circles...

It is a shame that when and if we do take offence, and our response is to "ask" someone to stop, that that response is somehow misconstrued as an escalation...

Daytime, nighttime, assault on a person or property...Your response to ask someone to stop should never be taken as an escalation, thats what I am seeing from the press, and the DA in this case...

We know what parameters we must work under...And to further difuse the publics opinion concerning self-defense, and cause any hesitation in our community, my opinion is extremely dangerous...

Interesting...Something I was inferring to in the other discussion on this incident...

I would find it very hard (anyone for that matter) to stand there and watch while someone (doesn't matter who, what, why or how) was damaging, or attempting to destroy my personal property without at least informing them that they should stop...(over simplification, I know)

But the whole issue is based upon what I am seeing in how anyone else outside of that incident is portraying this as:

"If he (owner) had just left the (alleged assailant) alone, and just call the cops, no one would have gotten killed."

For years I have had this nagging little feeling that there is this general consensus in the general non-carrying public, and maybe within the very slim fringes within our own community that if you "verbally" instruct someone to stop doing something forceful, or potentially injurous or deadly to someone else, you are escalating the situation...Therefore you are creating a situation that forces you to react possibly with the use of deadly force (extreme)...

It is just something that bugs me a little bit about this, and a few other incidents over the years...