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by srothstein
Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:11 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Carrying in Hawaii
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Re: Carrying in Hawaii

gigag04 wrote:Got a great deal for a week in Hawaii next week (Honeymoon). I'm looking into carrying under LEOSA but wow, what a pain.

Since I'll be there longer than three days I'll have to register it with the local chief...

Among other pains. No high cap mags (10+) - that's a felony, no "LEO Only" marked ammo...no NFA.

Those liberal nut jobs made LEOSA as convoluted and stripped down as they could.

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Worth it? Was going to bring a Kahr P380 for the pocket. I think between checking it and then Hawiifying my carry privileges, I may leave it.
It is always your choice on what to do, and testing the law is not usually a good idea. BUT . . . as I read it, their policy is a crock and just a scare attempt. I noted that they clearly, on the AG website state that this is not legal advice. They also state that the federal law does not supersede state law and that you will be treated as a citizen with no law enforcement powers if you are not on official duty. But I think everyone knows that federal law does indeed supersede their law. The LEOSA clearly states that it applies without regard to state law.

There is the caveat in the LEOSA that it does not supersede state law that limits where you can carry if private property owners ban it or some specific public areas. You will need to brush up on that section. The latest changes also specifically include ammunition as being anything not banned by federal law, so you can ignore their ban on LEO ammo. The way I read the law, it would override their temporary registration within three days also. I will stipulate that this is a little more gray since they would not charge you with unlawfully carrying, but with failure to register. I think you would win at the appellate level, but it might take getting it that far in the federal system.

The real gray area to me is the ten round limit on the magazine. I am not sure how the LEOSA would apply on that since it is not clearly mentioned. Again, I think you would win but this one is much more dicey. Obviously, this is not a problem for you pocket 380 though.

But, if you really wanted to be safe, carry a .44 revolver. I noted that this is not defined as a firearm on their website. I guess you could go the other way and bring a 32, since it is also not a firearm.

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