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crazy2medic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:57 pm

jayinsat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:19 pm How did this thread get revived???

CPR?

More like raising Lazarus from the dead.

How did this thread get revived???

I guess I would have to say I am poisoned by the anti-gun rhetoric. I just can't get to the point where I feel comfortable enough to drop my guard enough to not question the unknown person in my home who reveals a weapon, intentionally or not. Yes, any object can be a weapon but a gun IS a weapon. It's the only purpose for it. You don't use it as a hammer. If in my home, you accidentally reveal, I want you to make me feel comfortable to remain armed. Am I infringing on your right? Not all all! You can refuse to service me just as I can refuse to do business with you. I do see your perspective but I feel it more prudent to err on the side of caution.

To each his own though.

anygunanywhere wrote:

jayinsat wrote: Any gun, I'm not saying I would treat you as such. I'm saying I'm not going to assume innocence and ignore the potential threat.

Since you are not assuming innocence you are assuming guilt. Is the presence of a firearm a threat?

jayinsat wrote:Is it impossible to imagine that a murder uses his position as a repairman to gain entrance to your home?

Yes it is possible and happens quite often. I am not denying that fact.

Now, tell me, do you treat everyone with the same suspicion. Yes or no.

Why does the presence of a firearm make it more likely that the individual will cause harm?

Anygunanywhere

I see your point completely. In all honesty, any stranger in my home puts me at high alert. True, any object is a potentially lethal weapon and I should (and will) treat it as such. However, a firearm is a more effective, long range weapon and therefore, in my opinion, sets it apart. I do see your points though and appreciate the dialogue.

anygunanywhere wrote:

jayinsat wrote: Accidental reveals will give reason for suspicion.

If you see an accidental exposure from anyone anywhere you automatically suspect that the person is a criminal?

Interesting.

Do you want me to think the same of you?

Anygunanywhere

Any gun, I'm not saying I would treat you as such. I'm saying I'm not going to assume innocence and ignore the potential threat. Is it impossible to imagine that a murder uses his position as a repairman to gain entrance to your home?

anygunanywhere wrote:This idea that we have to make sure everyone is legally carrying according to the state issued permission cards is something we really need to get over.

Remember the video that mentioned liberty? Liberty means that others can exercise their rights the same as you. If they are acting in a civil manner then why should you care?

What is in my pockets or on my belt is not any of your business.

I probably would not say anything.

I believe in liberty and the second amendment.

Anygunanywhere

I agree with your position Anygun. However, the question is not about just any one anywhere. It's specifically about a person who has entered your home for a service call and in the process of performing their duties, reveals a formerly concealed handgun. Why would it be prudent to assume that person has no ill intentions if you don't know the person? Even if out in public, how do you reasonably distinguish between the criminal and non-criminal if you saw a gun (barring open-carry states)? Accidental reveals will give reason for suspicion. In my home, I think it prudent to ask.

In order to avoid hijacking a previous thread viewtopic.php?f=7&t=64506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I am starting a new one to more broadly discuss the issue of accidental reveals and notifications.

My question is: Do you assume when you notice a gun on a person that the individual is a CHL holder and is legally able to carry? If the person is a repair person and the accidently reveal, do you trust them and not think twice about it? If the person in your home is a long time aquaintance that's one thing. However, suppose you called your cable company to repair the cable. You most likely won't know the repair person. How do you know they are licensed?

My approach is, when I don't have a long relationship with the repair person, I will not assume that said individual is licensed and means me no harm. I would insist on seeing a CHL or demand they leave. I, myself, am always armed at home so I would not panic or cause a major ruckus. If the repair person has a CHL, they may stay and work with my blessing. If not, they must leave or, at least, disarm. I believe in the addage "trust but verify".

Thoughts?