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E.Marquez wrote:

RX8er wrote: Thanks for the federal law but I'm not talking federal ID, just wanted to get that one out of the way so we can move back to what the topic at hand is..

Ahh,ok, thought that was the topic at hand as you asked..

Statement:

Federal law makes it illegal and punishable by 5 years in a federal pen for copying my us army ID, texas law makes it a class c misdemeanor to copy my texas military ID, so aww darn. I have never had my DL copied at any MD's office

Your response:

What is the penal code / reference for these two laws?

I answered 50% of your question with a response to ONE of the TWO laws you asked about.


Sorry for the confusion..
In response to your follow up question... No law I know of forbides photocopying a state issued DL or ID card.. TX has a law on swiping the Mag strip.. but not copying, far as i can tell

E.Marquez wrote:

RX8er wrote:

JP171 wrote: What is the penal code / reference for these two laws?

18 USC § 701 - Official badges, identification cards, other insignia.

Whoever manufactures, sells, or possesses any badge, identification card, or other insignia, of the design prescribed by the head of any department or agency of the United States for use by any officer or employee thereof, or any colorable imitation thereof, or photographs, prints, or in any other manner makes or executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the likeness of any such badge, identification card, or other insignia, or any colorable imitation thereof, except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

JP171 wrote:

RX8er wrote:

JP171 wrote:

azwe wrote:Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Federal law makes it illegal and punishable by 5 years in a federal pen for copying my us army ID, texas law makes it a class c misdemeanor to copy my texas military ID, so aww darn. I have never had my DL copied at any MD's office

jimlongley wrote: For some reason or another my mag stripe on my license does not work anymore.

jimlongley wrote:

RX8er wrote:

JP171 wrote:

azwe wrote:Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Lately I have been refusing to let the hospital and doctors' offices to make those copies, and they have been pretty compliant. I do point out that they have made copies of the same in the past therefore they do not need new ones. My local hospital "lost" my DL and insurance card a few years back when the copy machine broke down and they took them to a different copy machine and left them there, and I was called in for treatment before they came back. I raised a stink, and even called the police while a hospital administrator offered to write me a note that I could carry in lieu of my DL, and the cop that responded told her that they wouldn't accept the note and I would be arrested for driving without a license. I then insisted that they tear down the hospital brick by brick to find my documents, and the cop just grinned and shrugged.

They can scan my insurance card all they want, but I do not knowingly let them copy my license any more.

When I was being admitted for knee replacement surgery a couple of years ago, the desk person (different hospital from above) asked to "see" my ID and insurance card. I laid both of them on the counter and she immediately started to pick them up. I slammed my hand on top of them and asked her what she thought she was doing, and she stated she was going to make copies. I pointed out that she only had asked to "see" them, not pick them up or copy them and that those documents were my personal property and not to be removed from my possession or sight. After an administrator came out and, eventually, politely asked if they could copy them for security reasons the young lady then started to leave the room with them. She never did make the copies because I would not allow them to take them into the next room where the copier was.

You can refuse.

azwe wrote:

JP171 wrote:

azwe wrote:Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

Until you cite the law, you're just repeating bologna.

JP171 wrote:

azwe wrote:Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

azwe wrote:Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

jmra wrote:

android wrote:

OldCannon wrote:

Abraham wrote:
Rarely, after I turn in the paper work, someone will inform me that I HAVE to provide my SS#.

It says "Optional" right on the form. If they object, tell them to call the ATF and have them explain what "optional" means

The SSN is used as a tie breaker if you have a name and birthday the same as a prohibited person in the NICS database. Since the CHL exempts you from the phone call, there is no need to fill it in.

I see no problem with a photocopy, it allows to FFL to easily prove to ATF auditors that they did in fact verify the information and other that a crappy photo that they could easily get from DPS in an hour if they need it, contains nothing that's not already on the form. As a SW developer, I'm pretty paranoid about information, but this one is not an issue.

The SS# as a tie breaker doesn't work. I speak from first hand personal experience.

8. Social Security Number (Optional, but will help prevent misidentification)

AEA wrote:Umm.....Picture on Photocopy of DL & CHL?