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WTR wrote:I use to hope that HRC would be indited for one of her numerous crimes. Now I find my self wishing for Trump to be indited on some type of fraud
charge in order for Pence to be moved to the top of the ticket and won this thing. Trump has proven to have zero moral fiber. Trump says BC has said worse on the golf course......woo hoo BC is a scum bag and I'm sure Trump has said worse while playing with BC.

NiMexicatl wrote:To put it simply, I honestly don't think there's much at this point that can convince me to vote Trump. It's my opinion and I honestly don't see him winning this election.

As far as my support for the 2A, I think focus taken away from holding congress responsible is a step in the wrong direction.

If people (in a general sense) start putting the fear that they'll have to do their job and respect the best interest of those they represent and the constitution it is my opinion that restoration of gun rights will be better served. It's probably not a realistic picture any time soon, but I feel it's the truth.

Yes the president holds power and can drive issues to the fore front, but ultimately the bulk of this kind of thing is supposed to be shouldered by the ones we elect to represent us.

This country has a really good system set in place, based on a really good ideological foundation. It's sad to see the way it operates some times and how things as important as the 2A can be trivialised as debateble by some. I don't know what else to say other than it's dissapointing. As are a lot of things, but hey thats life.

dale blanker wrote:I regret seeing so many folks thinking they need protection from their government. Comparison of our political system to that of Nazi Germany seems unrealistic to me.

I enjoy this forum because I am pro 2A and conservative but also follow conservative commentators Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Joe Scarborough and my favorite David Brooks... Could they be right about Trump?

cb1000rider wrote:

rotor wrote: The right to keep and bear arms means that the government can not do what the British did to our colonial population or what the Nazis did to the Jews in more recent times. The 2nd amendment is to protect you from government, not just the bad guy that breaks into your home. I think in this respect our country is unique. With Obama we are already seeing oppression. When you take your first breath you either buy Obamacare or pay a tax. No freedom of choice. To be alive means you are taxed or must buy a government decided insurance. Didn't see that in The Constitution.

Totally agree that such is the basis for the 2nd amendment.

I definitely don't trust the government, but I feel that it'd be naive of me to think that any amount of civilian firepower would have the capacity to stop a modern government. The Branch Davidians were reasonably well armed and they were only fighting non-military law enforcement. They lost.

Back in the colonial days, a government couldn't launch a drone strike from the other side of the world. The playing field was somewhat level and a well-armed militia could defeat a British force from across the sea. That's simply not true anymore.

There is simply no way that our forefathers could see 200+ years into the future. I'm glad we have 2nd amendment rights, but I really don't think it stops the trolls in congress. Besides, they generally want my money.. Killing the population isn't in their self-interest.

I have seen hesitation on the part of law enforcement to shut down civilians that were operating outside the law, but I think that's more about media coverage the bad press and resulting lawsuits than it is about being unable to find an APC to drive in and shoot people up.

cb1000rider wrote:

Solaris wrote:

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Me too. I hope by November there is still a candidate who supports my issue, but it is not looking good.

I'm legitimately curious about this. I assume the one issue is 2nd amendment rights. If not, please correct me.
Our government has some influence over lots of things that impact us every day and potentially for our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our children:
1) Healthcare. We've been tracking toward "completely affordable" for decades. We just had a president that opted us all in to what was likely an unpopular healthcare system. That system didn't deliver what was promised. We have someone running for president that is an open Socialist. We're probably about one presidency away from a single payer system.
2) The health of the economy. Your ability and my ability to have a job and make enough money to support our families.
3) Retirement. Social Security is insolvent. The vast majority of Americans haven't saved much of anything and most depend on it.
4) Taxes. Our continued involvement in foreign wars, continued deficit spending, and unsustainable healthcare means that we're all going to have to pay eventually.. Our our kids will pay. At least that's the most likely outcome.

Of all these issues, why is the right to keep and bear arms the most important? I'm not criticizing that choice at all, I'm just wanting a different perspective on it.