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philip964 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:37 am https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 60856.html

After Trump suggests it Omar and Tlaib are barred from entering Israel.

To me it would have been a giant security nightmare, and no positives for Israel.

Maybe now they will go to Palestine and be welcomed.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Redneck_Buddha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:31 am "First they came for the Easter worshippers, then some people did something..."

Totally LOL'd, but you got it backwards...
First some people did something, then they came for the Easter worshipers.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:24 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:14 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:47 pmmojo84 is again both focused and correct. In recent weeks, the conversation around Islamic anti-Semitism has involved Rep. Ilhan Omar. Like the various imams and terrorists, the newly elected politician reveals the diversity of Islamic anti-Semitism. What unites Muslim anti-Semites in America isn’t geography or culture. It isn’t a local Jewish population. Instead, as we saw in last year’s rash of mosque anti-Semitism, it’s the religious teachings of Islam.

I disagree with both you and Mojo on this. I have not studied Islam that much, but I have studied Jewish history a little. I have also read what is written in the Bible (well, some of the New Testament but mostly the Tanakh). From both, I have seen how easy it is for some men to take parts of the writings out of context and use it in ways that the religious writings would never condone.

As an example from my religion, I point to 1 Samuel 15:3 where the command was to kill very man, woman, child, suckling pig, goat, and ox. There are many other verses describing Israelite brutality against Philistines. And Philistine is the linguistic basis for Palestinean. But no one puts the Jews down for being violent even though the Old Testament is a very violent book.

And the Catholic church has a long history of being anti-anything other than Catholic. Consider the Inquisition and how they treated anyone who was even suspected of not being a good Catholic (and it wasn't just Spain - they were just the most famous). The Inquisition started in the 12th Century in France and continued through 1870 (and with some changes continues still). And while very few would say that the New Testament was violent, it is easy to see how much violence has been done in its name.

There is a lot of violence being done in the name of Islam and most of it is directed against Jews, but there is also a lot of anti-Christian violence as we saw this weekend. In neither case would I say that the religious teachings say to do this. I honestly believe that it is another example of the basic precepts of a religion being twisted by some men for their own purposes. This has happened too many times in other religions for me to not see it as probable in the case of Islam.

Thanks. There are two additional points that I would ask you to consider:

1.0 While Judaism and later on Christianity have both had periods of violent behavior, that was in the far distant past prior to modern times and norms of behavior. Islam has not enjoyed a similar formal period of "reformation" and therefore by and large has yet to enter into modernity.
2.0 As this discussion thread has matured, I think that we have also seen the beginnings of a distinction between simply "Muslim" and Islamist. An important yet subtle distinction.

The Inquisition turned out to be a very bad move for Spain, even today Spain has not recovered its former glory. Similarly, for the ancient Israelites, when they abandoned God and demanded to have Kings, things did not fare too well for them afterward.

Jason Todd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:12 pm

Redneck_Buddha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:12 pm

Grumpy1993 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:00 pm If she watched Black Hawk Down, what side did she root for?

Omar is Al-Shabaab 4 Life.

philip964 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:24 am https://news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-cal ... 20490.html

Pelosi calls for security for Omar after Trump's tweet showing what she said.

I agree, she needs full time security, most likely some leftist wacko is going to try and harm her and wear a Maga hat, right before the election. Plus the way she talks, at some point she's going to say something bad about Hillary.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:00 am New York Post’s front page calls out Rep. Ilhan Omar’s 9/11 comments: ‘Here’s your something’



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-yo ... 11-attacks

mojo84 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:32 am
It is not un-American to question someone's loyalty to the United States, especially, when that person is known to support beliefs contrary to the Constitution and laws of the United States and is a member of congress. The challenge with Islam and many Muslims is that their holy book combines religion and politics/government. Therefore, they are the ones that do the conflating.

Whether it is kosher or not, I have no clue since I am not Jewish. However, it seems to be ok for a Muslim to question a Jew or Christian beliefs and patriotism but not the other way around. When there is a group that wants to change the fundamentals of our country or eliminate it and it by whatever means necessary based upon their holy book, it is very American to call them out on it, especially, if someone that holds such beliefs is a member of congress.

Is is very tough to reconcile the three religions when the discussion seem to always comes down fighting and conquering the other.

Grumpy1993 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:00 pm If she watched Black Hawk Down, what side did she root for?