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Jeff B. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:36 pm I've got an issue with the entire concept of "hate crimes" and how, predictably, they've become a club to be used against some portions of society by the government and other groups.

There's a crime. Murder, assault, robbery, theft, embezzlement, whatever... charge the person under the statute and if guilty, convict them in a court of law and send them to jail. We're having trials in the media now and allowing public opinion and sentiment to render verdicts.

Jeff B.

County me in on that. Either it was a deadly crime or it was not.

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The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 10:29 am
4. Those who think (as I do) that it doesn’t matter whether what the McMichaels did was legal or illegal. The cascade of decisions that ended in Arbery's death was initiated by the McMichaels the minute they jumped into their vehicle and set off in pursuit of Arbery, armed for a confrontation.

I posted this snip from TAM's post because I have a question, since I'm just an aircraft technician and not involved in law enforcement or the legal profession in any way. My question is this: does the totality of circumstances not have any bearing on the case? Because as TAM pointed out, Arbery would be alive had those men not pursued him. That's what I want to know. Would the jury not have to take that into account, as well?

https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2020/05/ ... uDfX6oOeTw

From the above article, concerning Georgia citizens arrest law:

“A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

Do the actions of Arbery meet the standard in that quote? Do the actions of the McMichaels meet the standard in that quote? The article has distinct bias, the only reason I posted it was to substantiate the quote I pulled from it.

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03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:24 am
My issue with all this from the start was these two chasing this Arbery character down rather than letting the cops handle it.

So, that statement there sums up my biggest problem with this incident. First of all, I'm not sure whose house the new construction was. However, I distinctly remember the case of Mr. Fish and how much pain and trouble he went through "doing the right thing" trying to protect his neighbor's home, and those two he shot were engaged in criminal activity. Second, an LTC isn't a "Batman license", but whether the shooter had one or not, that general idea still holds. Third, the police get PAID, at least nominally in the interest of the taxpayers, to track down and catch criminals or suspected criminals, and they get leeway because of that, everyone else does not. Finally, "citizens arrest", IMHO, means catching the person engaged directly in a crime, and holding them there for the police, not after the fact down the road some distance.

I am NOT condoning criminal behavior and I am NOT taking up for any criminals or soft-pedaling criminal activity. I'm pointing out that those two, via their own actions, put themselves into a situation they didn't need to be in, one way or another. The consequences will range outside of what happens to them because of it.

However, I despise the mass news media hype machine, as they are applying every effort to turn this into GZ/TM, Part 2.

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:46 pm Lee Merritt is the family's attorney...

If that guy told me the sky was blue, I'd step outside to check for myself...and I'll leave it at that.