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by OldGrumpy
Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Past Indiscretions
Replies: 48
Views: 7470

Re: Past Indiscretions

As the OP I would like to get in a couple of "closing comments" before the topic dies.
1. We need to be more diligent in teaching our children that we are resposible for our activities and that there are consequences for the voluntary (even those seeming innocent) acts we commit.
2. We also need to recognize that "victim of circumstances" is sometimes truth. Also, for those of us brought up in strong homes , let's remember that not everyone was so lucky. The people who get caught up in circumstances need to be encouraged along with being held accountable.
Thanks to everyone for great input and I hope everyone has a better feel for the "big picture" of this topic.
by OldGrumpy
Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Past Indiscretions
Replies: 48
Views: 7470

Re: Past Indiscretions

Are you saying that you never made a wrong choice or a bad decision? Or, that you just didn't get caught? Or, just not one that would disqualify?

How long should this apply, for ever? Someone that made a wrong decision 20 years should be punished today?
Is there an age qualification as well? How about when you were a kid; 8, 10, 14, 16 or 18 and made a bad decision? I know 18 is an adult but yet still a kid. Always have the argument about buying alcohol, CHL, gambling 18 versus 21 is because 18 don't make good decisions.

How about someone that had mental problems 20 years, never buy a gun or get CHL?

What are your thoughts about a persons criminal history being like a credit report or along the same line


Since I am sure I have passed the statue of limitations I will confess that things were done as a young person that I should have been arrested for. However, due to the training my parents gave me I like to believe i would have accepted the consequences. In my own family we came to close quarters with this situation. One of our children had a domestic disturbance charge (no violence - just disruptive). As a result that child is not eligible for a CHL and I could say it is unfair because they did not know it would disqualify them for a CHL before the charge.
by OldGrumpy
Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:15 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Past Indiscretions
Replies: 48
Views: 7470

Re: Past Indiscretions

Charles, point taken.
by OldGrumpy
Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:03 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Past Indiscretions
Replies: 48
Views: 7470

Re: Past Indiscretions

RX8er I have to respectfully disagree with you. I realize there are a few cases of where someone commits a crime without knowing what they are doing is a crime. However, in most cases people know what they are doing is illegal. If I know it is illegal and do it anyway then I have to be prepared to accept the consequences. Sometimes it may seem unfair but I had a college prof whose favorite saying was : " I never promised I would be fair - I only promised to enforce the rules that I set on the first day of class". Yes, life is sometimes unfair, but it is usually a result of our own actions.
by OldGrumpy
Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:14 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Past Indiscretions
Replies: 48
Views: 7470

Past Indiscretions

I see a lot of posts from individuals lamenting the fact that wrongs they previously committed is now keeping them from getting a CHL. Now I admint to being a bit old-fashioned and out of touch with today's modern world which says I still have the right to what I want in spite of my previous wrongs. Today I cannot wear a short haircut because when I was six years old I was dumb enough to try and run under a swinging swing. The scar is there as a reminder that I made a wrong choice. We need to train our youth to accept responsibility and live with the consequences. Also, they can lobby for changes to laws they feel are unfair. Get involved, talk to your legislator and ask them to introduce legislation to change laws you feel are unjust. Just had to rant a bit. I came from a family of hard working farmers that said the law may not always be right but it is never wrong, and that sometimes the law is not fair - but it is the law.

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