Search found 4 matches

by AcesFull
Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:32 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm
Replies: 12
Views: 6526

Re: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm

couzin wrote:
AcesFull wrote:Federal property is restricted in reference to concealed carry, but this has nothing to do with concealed carry.
I too would like a definitive answer. Not holding my breath though. I've read numerous discussions between people more educated in legal matters than I and I always seem to walk away more confused.
OK - I will try again (this time without the attempt at humour). The legal 'test' is "by legal means" - simply, fishing is limited to certain ways of taking (line, pole, net, trot, noodling, bow and arrow, crossbow). You can't shoot fish - and contrary to some opinions, a gator is not a fish and is not included on your fish license. Hunting has to meet the same test - a legal means AND as permitted by the particular area (shotgun only, blah blah)(nothing in this post is discussing concealed carry). The regulations you cite mean that the 'legal means of taking' are made safe ('unloaded') until you reach your hunting or fishing spot. That is - you crossbow needs to be uncocked and no bolt, you don't walk across the parking lot with an arrow notched and drawn, and - I guess, your rod and reel rig doesn't have one of those exploding worms attached. Same thing as hunting - you don't load your firearm at home and carry it all the way up into your stand loaded. Bottom line - you cannot have a firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun) on USACE lands or waters unless legally hunting. Trying to find a loophole is just wasting time. You do what you feel you must do and be willing to take the heat if caught I guess. I have 30 years dealing with Federal regs, laws, and EOs, 20 with USACE. BTW - I dispute that we are an arrogant organization.
Thanks for expanding. I have about an hours worth of time dealing with federal regs...I think I'll take your advice.

My boat is an offshore boat and we never leave port without being well armed. Caught a large Tiger shark once after fighting it for 4 hours. That would have required a firearm to bring it aboard! :fire We released it. I guess it's a good thing that Tiger sharks don't inhabit our lakes. :thumbs2:
by AcesFull
Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:48 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm
Replies: 12
Views: 6526

Re: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm

Maxwell wrote:I always thought a Corp lake was federal property and therefore restricted. :headscratch

It would be nice to find the definitive answer.

Max
Federal property is restricted in reference to concealed carry, but this has nothing to do with concealed carry.
I too would like a definitive answer. Not holding my breath though. I've read numerous discussions between people more educated in legal matters than I and I always seem to walk away more confused.

It should be against the law to have to be a lawyer to understand the law... :smash:
by AcesFull
Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:15 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm
Replies: 12
Views: 6526

Re: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm

couzin wrote:You fish with a pistol???
I can think of numerous ways to legally use a pistol within the act of fishing.
by AcesFull
Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:06 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm
Replies: 12
Views: 6526

Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm

Please correct me if you read this differently, but as I understand it, I can carry my unloaded pistol to my boat from my car. I can have my pistol on my boat if I'm going fishing. We anchor and drop a line or two while also swimming in the same area. Any problems with this?

327.13 Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks

(a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless:

(1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer;

(2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites;

327.8 Hunting, fishing, and trapping.

(c) Fishing is permitted except in swimming areas, on boat ramps or other areas designated by the District Commander.

http://www.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/canyon/title36.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/canyon/Title36.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Return to “Army Corps of Engineers Lake - Legal Firearm”