What about the Gun free zone act of 1990, would that federal law be enforceable in Texas?Keith B wrote:The TSRA wants to know about employers who are not following the law and still prohibit employees from legally possessing a firearm in their vehicle. I would suggest you contact them with details.oohrah wrote:Thanks Keith, but the law notwithstanding, the employee (me) would be challenging their system, and I'm not sure I'm ready to go there.
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- Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:47 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
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- Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:39 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
- Topic: School Employees and the parking lot law
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As long as you kept your mouth shut no one would know you have a firearm in your vehicle. Don't ask don't tell.oohrah wrote:Thanks Keith, but the law notwithstanding, the employee (me) would be challenging their system, and I'm not sure I'm ready to go there.
- Thu May 09, 2013 9:38 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
- Topic: School Employees and the parking lot law
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We have had high school kids bring rifles and shotguns in their vehicles on school property. Our school LEO says there is nothing he can do about it but tell them to go home and put the gun away. The DA will not prosecute them so he won't arrest them.Keith B wrote:nightmare69 wrote:
Actually, this is not 100% correct. MPA does not exempt a person carrying in their vehicle from the Gun Free School Zone Act. They can be arrested and charged under federal law if they are within 1000' of a school and unlicensed. However, the question comes up if local law enforcement can actually enforce that federal law. Either way, the school can ask the person to leave and if they don't then they can be charged with criminal trespass.
- Thu May 09, 2013 9:15 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
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[/quote]Keith B wrote:
That has been in 46.035 as long as CHL has been in existence. The bottom line is school districts are exempt from the parking lot exception and do not have to allow employees to be able to keep a gun in their vehicle on school property.
In your case it sounds like you work for a level headed district with a decent attorney (did I say that?) who feels it is right for employees to be able to store their firearms in a car if they have a CHL.
Because the law has always been written that a school district can allow CHL holders to carry in the buildings, I know several of the CHL Instructors across the state have been approached by various school districts to do training for their teachers. Harrold ISD in the panhandle area has allowed teachers to carry for 3-4 years if they have a CHL and are approved by the school district process. I think we will see a lot more of a movement toward that here over the next few years.
The only people they could ban carrying are employees. I told them there is nothing they can do if a unlicensed visitor has a firearm in their vehicle carrying under the MPA act. Also any visitor who has a CHL can carry anywhere off premise. They most they could do is ask them to leave but they would never know if the person is armed anyway.
Arming teachers/staff will never happen at my ISD, they have the money to hire LEOs.
Banning employees from keeping a firearm in their personal vehicle leaves them defenseless from their commute to and from work and anywhere in between they may travel. During said commute is out of the scope of the employer.
- Thu May 09, 2013 6:51 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
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Here is what they added to the policy.Keith B wrote:[quote="nightmare69"
Wrong. Your ISD's attorney may have read it and they changed the policy, but the law specifically exempts a school distrcit from having to allow it. However, a school district has always had the capability to allow storage on thier parking lot OR carry in the schools by a CHL holder if they so chose to do so. Below is the law as enrolled during last session.
PREMISES
EXCEPTION
It is an exception to the application of this law that the property on
which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by
the District and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
Penal Code 30.06 [See also FNCG]
- Wed May 08, 2013 3:32 pm
- Forum: New to CHL?
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I work for a public school also who prohibits weapons on school property. I found out though from the school attorney that if you have a valid CHL then you CAN have a firearm in your personal vehicle on school property. This is state law. I did some more research and found a article from Texas attorney general....
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From the summary...
After what I and the attorney told the school they went in and added in their school policy that if you have a CHL then you can keep your firearm in your personal vehicle on property.
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/op ... ga0972.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From the summary...
So if you have a CHL and work for a ISD in Texas you can have a firearm in your personal vehicle on school property and there is nothing the school can do about it. School policy does CANNOT supercede state law.An employer subject to section 52.061 of the Labor Code may not ban the transport and storage of handguns in locked private vehicles by employees with concealed handgun licenses in employee parking areas by posting the notice authorized by section 30.06 of the Penal Code.
A federally approved facility security plan under either the Maritime Transportation Security Act or the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards is not federal law that would preempt section 52.061 of the Labor Code.
No statute of which we are aware provides a specific remedy for employees whose employers violate section 52.061. And the Legislature has not authorized this office or any other state agency to take corrective action. Despite the lack of a statutory remedy, an aggrieved employee may, depending on the circumstances, have the ability to sue an offending employer under the Uniform Declaratory Judgments Act.
After what I and the attorney told the school they went in and added in their school policy that if you have a CHL then you can keep your firearm in your personal vehicle on property.