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C-dub wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

tomtexan wrote:nightmare69, as a LEO what do you think was his reasoning for asking her to extinguish the cigarette?

Have you ever asked a person to put one out during a traffic stop?

She had the right to smoke but I feel like he asked her to put it out so when he had her step out she wouldn't have anything in her hand. She was just doing it to be a jerk. I've had people taking on their phones and ignoring me during a traffic stop so I wrote them citations for everything I could find. We had a female who was brought into jail last week for refusing to sign a citation. She was also ignoring the officer talking on her phone. She learned a hard lesson. It pays to be courteous and comply.

It's been many many years and my memory might be a bit fuzzy, but I thought it didn't matter whether or not a person signed their citation. It seems that what the officer told me when writing me one for speeding through one of those little speed trap towns south of Dallas. Is refusing to sign one really an arrestable offense? Arrestable, I think it's a new word.

suthdj wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

suthdj wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:This news article explains the smoking well.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/29620302/can ... ulled-over" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, what I got from the article was comply or suffer the wrath of abuse of power. Its simple if you dont have the authority to ask some not to smoke then you dont ask, period. The analogy of a 911 call is bogus as a paid public employee they have a job as a citizen we have expectations of the job being done. That being said I dont smoke so no biggie and I do teach my kids to comply, only to avoid the abuse of power or in some cases the unnecessary use of power which my son finds out every time he shoots off his mouth. He's a slow learner I guess.

He didn't abuse his power, he was well within his rights as a peace officer. You can flex your rights during a stop and so can LEOs. Police do have the right to have you step out and can arrest for a simple traffic violation. All this woman had to do was comply and she would have drove off with a warning that should could have later made into a paper airplane.

True, but did he have the right to ask her to put out cigarette?

bulinm wrote:I would have thought that putting the cigarette out was officer safety. Certainly wouldn't
want one in my face when a fight started.

Oh, well, the fact that the all the hand wringers are gripin' about the traffic stop, instead of
bemoaning the suicide, supports my opinion that some folks just want LEOs to leave 'em
alone to do as they please. Mess with them, and they try to destroy you. That's the new
reality.

She JUST made an illegal lane change, he was JUST selling cigarettes, he was JUST walking
in the middle of the road, he was JUST smokin' a joint, he was JUST burglarizin' a house....
ad nauseum. If he hadn't stopped her/him they'd be alive today.

Dumbfounded.

suthdj wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:This news article explains the smoking well.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/29620302/can ... ulled-over" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, what I got from the article was comply or suffer the wrath of abuse of power. Its simple if you dont have the authority to ask some not to smoke then you dont ask, period. The analogy of a 911 call is bogus as a paid public employee they have a job as a citizen we have expectations of the job being done. That being said I dont smoke so no biggie and I do teach my kids to comply, only to avoid the abuse of power or in some cases the unnecessary use of power which my son finds out every time he shoots off his mouth. He's a slow learner I guess.

tomtexan wrote:nightmare69, as a LEO what do you think was his reasoning for asking her to extinguish the cigarette?

Have you ever asked a person to put one out during a traffic stop?