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by nightmare69
Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

rotor wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
WTR wrote:If anyone thinks they can use a broom stick, cane or even a fighting baton effectively , they are delusional. It takes very specific training to utilize a baton correctly and efficiently. Pits are made to take abuse. I have one dog who would take a hit in order to relieve you of your baton and then you better be ready to shoot. I think out first weapon is our superior reasoning ability, the second is a firearm.
Good hot OC spray has worked the best for me. My ASP is nothing but an expensive back scratcher. If you want an impact weapon, carry a good solid walking stick.
Small chemical dispenser only is legal. I don't know if civilian size is enough if more than one or even one dog. I don't know what small means either but that's the law. Again though, that walking stick, is it a club or a walking stick? Up to the eye of the LEO that may stop you. In my youth I was a meter reader and when attacked by a dog I always shoved the meter book towards him which he would bite and I used to beat them over the head with a flashlight ( they don't make them that strong now ) but I never dealt with a pit bull or more than one big dog at a time. Actually the toughest to fight are those Chihuahua especially when they are in a pack ( and they always seem to be ). Of course they don't bite too high on the leg. I was never bitten on the job but my meter book sure took a beating.
Get bear spray if you're worried about running out. I don't see an officer messing with someone carrying a walking stick. I always carried one for dogs and never had an issue.
by nightmare69
Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

WTR wrote:If anyone thinks they can use a broom stick, cane or even a fighting baton effectively , they are delusional. It takes very specific training to utilize a baton correctly and efficiently. Pits are made to take abuse. I have one dog who would take a hit in order to relieve you of your baton and then you better be ready to shoot. I think out first weapon is our superior reasoning ability, the second is a firearm.
Good hot OC spray has worked the best for me. My ASP is nothing but an expensive back scratcher. If you want an impact weapon, carry a good solid walking stick.
by nightmare69
Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

newlife12176 wrote:
Abraham wrote:nightmare69,

Presumably, they'd be looking for rabies or a brain tumor to help explain the dog's aggressiveness?

Or, am I off base?

Thanks!
No way. Who is gonna pay for that? They have to find a DVM to do it. Shelter vets are too busy. That isn't routine at all. Doesn't matter why the dog was aggressive. Even if rabid. Highly highly unlikely. Dog was aggressive cause it was not neutered and had an idiot for an owner.
The LE dept pays a veterinarian to do it. I've shot a couple on duty when I worked for the Sheriff Office and we were required to take the dogs body as evidence. Thanks to Deputy Dooley this is standard procedure in Texas when police have to put down a dog. He was the reason all Texas LEOs had to take the "dogs and police shoot or don't shoot" course.
by nightmare69
Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:30 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

rotor wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:You better be a LEO or level 3 security and both require certification to carry an ASP. If not be ready to take a ride. I don't believe LTC gives you an exemption by technicality or any other reason.
You say this but 46.02 prohibits carrying the club, 46.15 B6 says
"(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who"

"(6) is carrying:
(A) a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a handgun; and
(B) a handgun:
(i) in a concealed manner; or
(ii) in a shoulder or belt holster;"

See page 56 and 57 of the new CHL. This would imply to me that carrying a club (asp) whatever is legal if you are carrying a handgun as above and a club and have a license to carry. Before open carry the older CHL-16 did not refer to the shoulder or belt holster so obviously with the change it is the legislative attempt to make it legal and the new CHL-16 reflects that change. There are other laws that have exemptions at the end such as carrying in a church. I am not a lawyer and if I wanted to carry an asp I personally would check with my local chief of police. On other matters like this I have email saying that carry was legal. Note though that you have to be licensed and carrying a gun. License alone is not enough.
The other option is a sjambok, very effective and legal.
It's a grey area IMO as I and level 3 security are required to take the ASP certification course (full 8hrs) in order to carry yet you say LTC holders are exempt. If you got caught there is a good chance you would be arrested and the police would let the court decide if you can legally carry or not. It would be easier to have a solid "walking stick" that has twice the reach of an ASP and you would be legal.
by nightmare69
Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:50 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

You better be a LEO or level 3 security and both require certification to carry an ASP. If not be ready to take a ride. I don't believe LTC gives you an exemption by technicality or any other reason.
by nightmare69
Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:05 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

Abraham wrote:nightmare69,

Presumably, they'd be looking for rabies or a brain tumor to help explain the dog's aggressiveness?

Or, am I off base?

Thanks!
Our local PD has a freezer with dogs that were shot by police in case the owner decides to go to court about it. They keep the dogs for a year before disposing of them. When I took the "dogs and police, shoot or don't shoot" class all Texas Peace Officers are required to take they told us to always take the body just in case.
by nightmare69
Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:53 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Shooting dogs
Replies: 61
Views: 14178

Re: Shooting dogs

Did the PD take the dogs body for necropsy? This is the standard procedure now.

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