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TCR wrote:Re. Wortham Center CHL carry:

sjfcontrol wrote:
It's going to be impossible to interact in this forum without saying something that can be twisted by the antis to fit their warped purposes. It happened to me, it will happen to others. To try to avoid that would defeat the purpose of this forum. We might as well all hide under our collective beds.

JP171 wrote:

srothstein wrote:

JP171 wrote:yes its CITY owned, maintained and supported same as the wortham center, miller outdoor theatre and a host of others


State Class Code Land Use Code Building Class Total Units
XV -- Other Exempt (Government) 4680 -- Cultural Facility E 0
Land Area Building Area Net Rentable Area Neighborhood Market Area Map Facet Key Map®
37,241 SF 109,437 0 5900 5001 -- Central Business District 5457A 493L

Just so you know, the state category code XV includes all charitable organizations and not just government. The book explaining all of the state property classifications guides is at: http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/t ... 96-313.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After having read that pamphlet and talking to HCAD, the building was at one time owned by the city, the Alley theater corp has made application to change that as the building has been donated to the Theater Corp by the city, the classification will still be XV Other exemptions (public Charitable) what is in parenthesis is the defining point if it says government then the building is owned by a governmental agency. I had a very nice conversation with the chief appraiser at HCAD and a very nice tax associate at the comptrollers office and now understand how that works. the contract for maintenance services has been terminated with the city contracted maintenance company. but if the language is wrong its not effective notice verbal will do but the old language doesn't suffice.

JP171 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:the alley theatre can post away, i'll walk right past it, its a city owned building!

Alley theater isn't city owned, it was privately built by a non-profit opening in 68 and is still operated and owned by the same non-profit. For those who don't know the Alley is a live theater with 2 stages in downtown Houston. The notice on the tickets is legally sufficient for a 30.06 warning. You will be risking arrest if you carry in the venue.

yes its CITY owned, maintained and supported same as the wortham center, miller outdoor theatre and a host of others


State Class Code Land Use Code Building Class Total Units
XV -- Other Exempt (Government) 4680 -- Cultural Facility E 0
Land Area Building Area Net Rentable Area Neighborhood Market Area Map Facet Key Map®
37,241 SF 109,437 0 5900 5001 -- Central Business District 5457A 493L

In May of 1962, the Houston Endowment, a charitable trust established by the late Jesse H. Jones and Mrs. Jones, made the initial gift to the Alley of approximately one half block of land in the center of the new civic center downtown for a new building. Then, in October of that same year, the Ford Foundation announced a gift of $6.1 million to nine non-profit theaters, including a grant of $2.1 million to the Alley to construct the new building and to help it in its developmental phase for the first 10 years. But, to qualify for the grant, the Alley was required to raise an additional $900,000 locally.

During the hot summer of 1963, a city-wide campaign yielded 25,000 individual gifts, securing the grant and assuring there would be a new theatre for the Alley. “The Chronicle’s” seven column headline read: “Alley Drive Smashed Over Top,” and the news was flashed on the Times Square marquee in New York City. Some of the people leading the campaign were George A. Peterkin, and T. N. Law, Isaac Arnold, J. W. Link, Jr. and John H. Lindsey.

By the following Spring, the Alley had acquired 21,000 square feet of adjacent land, making about five/sixths of the block available for the new building. As the project’s pace accelerated, Ulrich Franzen was signed as the prime architect and plans were drawn for the building; the Alley received both a playwright in residence award from the Ford Foundation (for Paul Zindel) and another grant of $1.4 million from Ford Foundation to support innovative theater architecture.

JP171 wrote:the alley theatre can post away, i'll walk right past it, its a city owned building!