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mojo84 wrote:How about a separate sign similar in size and wording for OC? If both open and concealed carry are to be banned then it takes two big ugly signs? Honors property rights and makes it somewhat less aesthetically attractive to ban guns completely.

sbrawley wrote:In the event a 30.07 sign is created, I see a comprisable position for businesses.
30.07 will replace most posted 30.06 signs. Take on an ''out of sight, out of mind" philosophy. Although the anti's will continue to whine because that is what they live for, the majority of carriers will be more accepting knowing that they will still be allowed to carry and since the majority claim that they probably won't OC anyway, it's a win-win.
If a business does happen to post both signs, then everyone will know where they truly stand with firearms.

G.A. Heath wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:In regards to unlicensed (aka Constitutional) Carry there are many who think there are not the votes in the legislature for it. There is a lot of belief that there are enough votes to pass licensed OC. So the question is do you want legal OC of modern firearms or do you want to demand unlicensed carry?

How about instead of touching 30.06 lets leave it and 30.05 alone and let any sign ban OC and a 30.06 ban licensed CC?

There would be no point to passing any bill in that case.

How so? It would be progress and would not cause many, if any, new 30.06 signs. If 30.06 is tied to OC it will cause more postings of 30.06. If you have separate signs then if a business bans OC with a gun busters sign licensed CC is still legal there unless they post 30.06. This also allows property owners the choice of banning one but not other or both together. This actually makes it easier to legislators in order to get their vote.

Be progress? Gunbuster signs are everywhere! I understand that OC and CC should not be tied as far as signage goes, agreed. But if any old sign bans OC, there would basically be no point of trying to OC unless you were going for a walk down the street and back.

The problem is if they have a gun busters sign already and you OC into a business then tell them their sign means nothing they will probably still call the police on you. Then you will face an arrest, with a defense to prosecution, or law enforcement informing the business that they need a specific sign which they will then post. Perhaps it would be better to convince property owners not to ban carry than try to sneak one past them once before they catch on and get mad?

ShepherdTX wrote:I was reading through HB 106 and I have a huge concern about the changes to 30.06

It looks like they stripped out this

[(3) "Written communication" means:
[(A) a card or other document on which is written
language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06,
Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this
property with a concealed handgun"; or
[(B) a sign posted on the property that:
[(i) includes the language described by
Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
[(ii) appears in contrasting colors with
block letters at least one inch in height; and
[(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner
clearly visible to the public.]

And replaced it with this:

(b) For purposes of Subsection (a) [this section], a person
receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with
apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the
person by oral communication or written communication that must
consist of:
(1) a card or other document on which is written
language indicating that pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
(trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed or unconcealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code, may not enter the property with a concealed
handgun or with any handgun, whether concealed or not, as
applicable;
(2) a sign posted on the property that:
(A) includes the language described by
Subdivision (1) of this subsection in both English and Spanish;
(B) appears in contrasting colors with block
letters at least one inch in height; and
(C) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly
visible to the public.

I read that as someone can put up a gunbuster sign that simply says, "No guns per 30.06"
I am concerned that it appears to take away the specific wording that clearly lets us know we can't carry.