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Yea I hear you on that. Agreed on all points.

Cedar Park Dad

Charlies.Contingency wrote:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:
EEllis wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
Like I said, both ways? If action is justified by "feelings" alone, maybe the OP felt threatened by the nervous cop's actions of preparing her weapon to be drawn. If there was any other indicator that the OP may have been a danger in addition to having a chl, I could understand why the cop was so nervous and extra causious. Based on the op, I don't think the level of nervousness was warranted.
OK he felt threatened. So?
Why is that ok?
It's not okay, but there isn't much he can do other than complain. (Not saying he's whining, I'm glad he shared his encounter with us.)Because it's an opinion of the OP that he "felt" something, and that the officer was within her rights. However, I feel confident in saying that we ALL AGREE that the officer's "behavior" according to the OP was not warranted, and it was the way the officer behaved that made the OP "feel threatened." That is not good, but some people have gone to arguing that the officers "actions" were not within her rights, aside from her reportedly terrible approach to the situation and her "behavior."

I meant more, why is it ok that a citizen has to feel threatened for no good reason? I take issue more with that philosophical view than with the cop's actions in the OP. I'm not threatened if an officer walks up with his hand on his sidearm-I doubt I'd even be able to see it, but I understand being wary. I am concerned with the view though, that citizens feeling threatened - for no justifiable reason - is ok.

I'll note, again my intereactions with police in the last two decades have been minimal, but at no time did I feel threatened in any manner or that the police were acting in any matter except absolute professionalism.

Cedar Park Dad

EEllis wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
Like I said, both ways? If action is justified by "feelings" alone, maybe the OP felt threatened by the nervous cop's actions of preparing her weapon to be drawn. If there was any other indicator that the OP may have been a danger in addition to having a chl, I could understand why the cop was so nervous and extra causious. Based on the op, I don't think the level of nervousness was warranted.
OK he felt threatened. So?

Why is that ok?

Cedar Park Dad

You could answer that statistically. How many police officers were murdered in the last 5 years while on the job, then compare overall US murder rates for the last five years. not really seeing what the point is. I'd take it as a given that traffic stops are subject to increased danger for the PoPo. I'm not seeing where "loosening the retention" on the holster is a big deal in that circumstance, given they are out in the open vs. a car. if you wanted to get technical about it, many/most CHLers don't have positive retention mechanisms on their holsters, so they're there already. More importantly you're not in the same position as a police officer, there is no expectation you're going to legally be in a gun battle with police...well ever.

Personally I'd like a better statistical test: the amount of gallons eaten of queso per year by the average person, and the average amount I eat. The results might be very informative.

Cedar Park Dad

ok, thanks. That is somewhat disconcerting.

Cedar Park Dad

To the OP, was the PoPo nervous before mentioning the CHL, or only after?
if only after, that would seem...well naive to me. This is Texas. I'd have a default expectation that there's firearms in the vehicle.

Cedar Park Dad

These are fair points. A lot does depend on nonverbal and voice cues which would be impossible to note unless we are there.

If said in a calm manner, I'm not seeing anything wrong with the verbal part of the exchange.

Cedar Park Dad

well hopefully people don't gun down cops with a provocation either.

Cedar Park Dad

philip964 wrote:With a little more experience she may learn that it is the people without CHLs are the ones to fear.

After all, we all have their back.

NO.

I have my family's back. The rest of you potential cat lovers are on your own.

Cedar Park Dad

VMI77 wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
StrangeBulge wrote: ... some people are too tense and should not be cops!
The day they stop being "tense" and on top of their duty they will get killed.

It may be as said above she may be new and just not had much contact with people with CHL's. She may have also had a argument with someone right before stopping you. The police have bad days too.

It may be just me, but because someone hands over a CHL does not mean they are Mr. Good Citizen. The CHL could be suspended. (example: many people drive with suspended drivers license)

At least you were not pulled out of the car, disarmed, and searched for "her protection." It doesn't sound like it was too bad. A plus side no citation.

I guess all the cops that have stopped me wanted to get killed then, since none of them have acted like the one in the op. None of them were "tense." All of them were had situational awareness. And I don't get your logic. And why would someone intending to shoot an officer hand over ID?

Agreed. The one stop we've had since obtaining CHLs resulted in a long conversation between the wife and the officer about what the ideal CC would be for his wife. Go Cedar Park!..

Cedar Park Dad

StrangeBulge wrote:Headed home from early voting, noticed Rosenberg PD cruiser passing cars behind me, exceeding the 30 mph speed limit , other moving violations, no lights no siren. Once directly behind me she hit the lights and the siren.

I pulled into a parking lot, put the car in park, rolled down all four windows, turned radio off, was digging dl and chl out of wallet as she approached. In friendly and non confrontational manner she asked for my license and insurance ( which was still in the glove box). I handed her my dl and chl with my left hand while keeping my right hand on the wheel and returned my left hand to the top of the wheel.

She reacted badly ... placed her left hand on her pistol, removed the retention, stepped back behind me, and demanded in a shrill voice "ARE YOU ARMED!" Calmly stated that i was armed. She asked "WHERE IS IT!". Calmly stated on my right hip. Was instructed "not to reach for it", She asked again for the insurance card, calmly told her that the card was in the glove box and asked if she would be ok with me opening the glove box to produce the card ....

she starts in with the 100 questions while still standing behind me were i cannot turn and make eye contact ...
At some point she noticed that i was becoming annoyed, stated that i had an attitude, stated that her posture was for officer safety and that i had been pulled over for rolling through a stop sign. I informed her that " I understand you are extremely uncomfortable with me being armed".

She instructed me to keep my hands on the wheel and took a position behind the passenger side of the cruiser while calling the stop via remote.

...

Got a warning, was told that i did not need to appear, no fine etc, thanked me for keeping my hands on the wheel and that me being armed was "perfectly legal" ... with her hand still on her pistol ... some people are too tense and should not be cops!

Wow.
1. You did everything right.
2. Had you not you might be around to type the encounter up. Thats a bad shoot waiting to happen.

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