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The Annoyed Man wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:I voted with my feet... But the money they are talking about is coming from the Civil Defense fund which is separate and you can donate on your own as I do. I will wait to see an official NRA report saying that most of the money is going to NJ... Also allowing states to be managed by unconstitutional laws says what about the 2nd amendment? It's only a state right? Not a Constitutional right? IF we manage it that way the Antis will win just like what they did in the UK. Divide the gun owners and conquered.

Charles just told you in a previous post that he is privy to the background info on NRA litigation in NJ, and exactly how he is privy to that; and then he told you a blanket statement that NRA has more lawsuits going in NJ than in any other state.......and you are saying that you don't believe him? Why don't you just come out and call him a liar? Dude, that report you're waiting to see will have been written with Charles' input.

I'm done here.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:I voted with my feet... But the money they are talking about is coming from the Civil Defense fund which is separate and you can donate on your own as I do. I will wait to see an official NRA report saying that most of the money is going to NJ... Also allowing states to be managed by unconstitutional laws says what about the 2nd amendment? It's only a state right? Not a Constitutional right? IF we manage it that way the Antis will win just like what they did in the UK. Divide the gun owners and conquered.

Charles just told you in a previous post that he is privy to the background info on NRA litigation in NJ, and exactly how he is privy to that; and then he told you a blanket statement that NRA has more lawsuits going in NJ than in any other state.......and you are saying that you don't believe him? Why don't you just come out and call him a liar? Dude, that report you're waiting to see will have been written with Charles' input.

I'm done here.

A-R wrote:

escapedNJ wrote: Divide the gun owners and conquered.

I'm going to be blunt and say what many of my fellow Texans are likely thinking but are too polite to say so bluntly:

The way YOU have approached this issue in this thread is much more divisive than any response you've received, most of which have been reasoned and reserved. Now, before you react with incredulity at my bluntness please understand I am merely criticizing the manner with which you've made your "pitch" to gain our interest in your preferred candidate - I don't know you personally and this is not a personal attack (do NOT respond as if it is - see forum rules).

Frankly, when it comes to NRA issues Charles Cotton has EARNED a tremendous amount of respect from the members of this forum and RKBA-loving Texans in general.

You continuing to belabor your points in this thread has nearly zero chance of swaying my opinion toward your viewpoint, and I'd imagine many others feel the same.

That said, your right to continue to speak your mind is of course yours to exercise (within the confines of forum rules of course). But, frankly, I don't think you've helped your cause so far and believe YOU and YOUR POSTS most closely exhibit an attempt to "divide and conquer".

Regards ...

mojo84 wrote:Speaking of mafia bosses, this Anthony reminds me of the boss on the Sopranos.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:"I don't object to you supporting any candidate, but I have a strong objection to absurd allegations that the NRA doesn't do anything for NJ. Had you not made such unfounded statements, I wouldn't have posted on this thread."

I didn't say NRA has done nothing for NJ.. I said they have done very little. So I acknowledge they do some work in NJ. Just not enough... So no allegations have been made!

Now that's a distinction without a difference. No matter how much money is spent on advertising, organizing, rallies and infomercials, the NJ electorate does not vote for pro-gun candidates. Only Laughtenberg's death got him out of the Senate! Everyone in the country knew his was rabidly anti-gun, so no resources needed to be spent telling people about his stance on Second Amendment Rights. As you acknowledged in another post, the NRA is funding or participating in 14 lawsuits in NJ trying to use the courts to protect Second Amendment rights. No other state has that many suits ongoing. We are putting money into lawsuits because that holds more promise.

So yes, the NRA is doing as much for NJ has we can with the resources we have available to the states. Remember, the battle at the federal level is paramount as a loss there could make state laws irrelevant.

Chas.

The 14 lawsuits are great.. but no one found out until they were mad.... Then they compare the NRA to local organizations that are organizing rallies with hundreds of people... Again I didn't say the NRA didn't do anything (Which you said you wouldn't of comment don this article). As a dues paying member I have a right to my opinion and the NRA has to understand the peoples perception. It's not on the people to change the perception but the organization too. There are plenty of organizations to donate money too, as I am members of many and I donate EVERY PAYCHECK to the NRA Civil Defense FUND!

Again this for dues paying members to get exposure to people that they could vote for and this person has a podcast that they can say... Yes I like his points or No I don't like his points instead of just whats on a paper. I think everyone wants to make an informed decision on who they are voting for. Not just pull the lever with someone that has a recognizable name or is a celebrity.

I'm going to weigh in here.......and I understand why you're pulling for NJ's RKBA.......but if there are more NRA lawsuits in NJ than in any other state, and there are other states at least as onerous toward the RKBA as NJ is (California, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, just to name 5 of them), and if NJ is therefore getting the lion's share of NRA litigation money, then aren't you kind of urging NRA to ignore other states which need the NRA's attention, litigation efforts, and funding just as badly as NJ does, so that NJ can hog an even larger share of those resources? There are 49 other states in the Union, at least a half dozen of which are in the same boat as NJ......not to mention the fact that even in relatively gun-friendly states (like Texas), there's always some yahoo trying to squash gun rights, and that costs money.

This NJ issue doesn't pass the sniff test to me, and I don't think NRA should waste any more money there than it already is wasting. As Charles pointed out, as long as NJ keeps electing closet nazis and mafia bosses, the RKBA is always going to be under heavy attack; and there is simply going to be a point beyond which there is no ROI for the NRA in NJ. Don't believe me? Look to Illinois, and how long and at what cost and maneuvering did it take to finally get concealed carry passed there.....AFTER McDonald.....and it is STILL nearly impossible for the average Joe to get a CHL. And look at how the Illinois governor interfered and tried to derail the court's ruling? Do you seriously think that Christie won't do the same if backed into a corner? It is wasted money in NJ, and I think the NRA should only involve itself in NJ litigation in cases where it is a slam-dunk to win.

The only reasonable choice for a NJ gun-owner who strongly and unapologetically supports the 2nd Amendment is to vote with your feet, get the heck out of there, and move to someplace that is more rational.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:"I don't object to you supporting any candidate, but I have a strong objection to absurd allegations that the NRA doesn't do anything for NJ. Had you not made such unfounded statements, I wouldn't have posted on this thread."

I didn't say NRA has done nothing for NJ.. I said they have done very little. So I acknowledge they do some work in NJ. Just not enough... So no allegations have been made!

Now that's a distinction without a difference. No matter how much money is spent on advertising, organizing, rallies and infomercials, the NJ electorate does not vote for pro-gun candidates. Only Laughtenberg's death got him out of the Senate! Everyone in the country knew his was rabidly anti-gun, so no resources needed to be spent telling people about his stance on Second Amendment Rights. As you acknowledged in another post, the NRA is funding or participating in 14 lawsuits in NJ trying to use the courts to protect Second Amendment rights. No other state has that many suits ongoing. We are putting money into lawsuits because that holds more promise.

So yes, the NRA is doing as much for NJ has we can with the resources we have available to the states. Remember, the battle at the federal level is paramount as a loss there could make state laws irrelevant.

Chas.

The 14 lawsuits are great.. but no one found out until they were mad....

Now that you know, do you retract your statement that the NRA isn't doing enough for NJ?

No sir. I still think they could do more. Again my opinion living there for my entire life and having been to rallies in blizzards!! I was a NRA member long before i joined other organizations and I joined those organizations because of what they were doing that the NRA wasn't. Some of those other organizations don't call, email, mail, smoke signal me every other day to get more money from me or to buy wine. Again my perception as well as lot of my friends that still live in NJ. I am a paying member of what they do nationally, but they either need to be in the states or let the local organizations take over.

I have a right to my opinion you have a right to yours... You being a board member will bring your biased as well as I having lived in NJ my whole life will have mine.

Thanks Chas for following up. I will let those that read this thread decide if they will take a look at Anthony or not. Will he win? Don't know but I feel that I am doing my best to educate folks on their options... Which was my entire intent. Maybe the will listen to his podcast... Get a laugh at NJ politics and how scary NJ gun rights are.

Anyways Happy New Year to you and everyone else.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

escapedNJ wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:"I don't object to you supporting any candidate, but I have a strong objection to absurd allegations that the NRA doesn't do anything for NJ. Had you not made such unfounded statements, I wouldn't have posted on this thread."

I didn't say NRA has done nothing for NJ.. I said they have done very little. So I acknowledge they do some work in NJ. Just not enough... So no allegations have been made!

Now that's a distinction without a difference. No matter how much money is spent on advertising, organizing, rallies and infomercials, the NJ electorate does not vote for pro-gun candidates. Only Laughtenberg's death got him out of the Senate! Everyone in the country knew his was rabidly anti-gun, so no resources needed to be spent telling people about his stance on Second Amendment Rights. As you acknowledged in another post, the NRA is funding or participating in 14 lawsuits in NJ trying to use the courts to protect Second Amendment rights. No other state has that many suits ongoing. We are putting money into lawsuits because that holds more promise.

So yes, the NRA is doing as much for NJ has we can with the resources we have available to the states. Remember, the battle at the federal level is paramount as a loss there could make state laws irrelevant.

Chas.

mojo84 wrote:I think there is more than one source from which to learn about his thoughts and positions. The one I posted is informative.

Also, I am not able to access your link from my cell. I keep getting plush to the mobile site.

mojo84 wrote:I listened to this until they started talking about video games. I heard a lot of whining that someone else should come fight for us, it's the NRA's fault we don't have concealed carry and the NRA needs to come organize ralleys for us and our gun owners have lost interest and it's the NRA's fault. Sounds like a bunch of whiny democrat entitlist people that expect someone to come fix their problems.

At one point, Anthony even admitted the NRA is doing a lot including funding 14 lawsuits. He's upset the NRA hasn't done enough marketing to let people know. He hasn't made a strong case for his candidacy with me.

The Civil Defense Fund is helping in lawsuits which wasn't told to NJ members until the local board member was on the defensive. That is an example of what they have done... The podcast you are listening too isn't his ... I can tell you if you listened to his you would know he isn't liberal as he put $$ behind the Tea Party candidate. But at least you listened to something and I think that is good thing.



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KRM45 wrote:Does NJ even have a state level organization like we have here in Texas? In my opinion the TSRA has done more in this state to promote 2A candidates and legislation than the NRA has in Texas. It should be the same in NJ. Perhaps this gentleman could work to build such an organization.

KRM45 wrote:Does NJ even have a state level organization like we have here in Texas? In my opinion the TSRA has done more in this state to promote 2A candidates and legislation than the NRA has in Texas. It should be the same in NJ. Perhaps this gentleman could work to build such an organization.

mojo84 wrote:When NJ voters stop voting in "conservative Republicans" such as Christie, I'll start thinking more about them. Until then, I have no use for NJ or their big brother neighbors across the river. They've created their own problems and I don't see how the NRA can be expected to fix all their issues.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:"I don't object to you supporting any candidate, but I have a strong objection to absurd allegations that the NRA doesn't do anything for NJ. Had you not made such unfounded statements, I wouldn't have posted on this thread."

A-R wrote:My $0.02 (worth what you paid for it).

Who deserves more of the blame for New Jersey's anti-2A predicament? The NATIONAL Rifle Association or the residents/voters of New Jersey?

I won't dismiss someone just because they're from NJ, but I gotta wonder why they haven't left a failed state and/or what they've personally done to change it (beyond bellyaching about the NRA).