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by ralewis
Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:21 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Toyota Center in Houston
Replies: 11
Views: 4206

Re: Toyota Center in Houston

Soccerdad1995 wrote:Maybe I am naïve, but since it is illegal for the concert operators (or anyone else) to prohibit your entry, shouldn't they be liable for civil damages that result from this illegal act? At a minimum, I'm thinking the cost of two concert tickets (likely north of $1,000 since this is the Adele concert), parking, and compensation for time lost in travelling to and from the venue, plus emotional distress from being treated like a criminal in public. Damages would be much greater if someone disarmed and was then harmed on the way to or from the venue.

I know that other states have laws which make the property owner liable for damages if they legally prohibit weapons. That might be controversial here in Texas (given our historical focus on property rights, etc), but I would think that we could all at least get behind liability for those who illegally prohibit weapons.
Public venues don't have an incentive to follow the law due to a lack of consequences. Reporting to the AG isn't going to help you when you have to walk a mile back to your car to put lock your firearm up.
by ralewis
Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Toyota Center in Houston
Replies: 11
Views: 4206

Re: Toyota Center in Houston

ScottDLS wrote:
sixer-sxt-3.7 wrote:Double check the comments in the Texas3006.com listing - there are several mentions that it is on county property (and thus 30.06/07 is unenforceable), and the signs have the old, incorrect verbiage.

This is corroborated in a few web searches:

http://stadiums.pointafter.com/q/618/13 ... ston-Texas

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/Hou ... windex.htm

http://www.houstonsports.org/toyota-center/

By all accounts, provided there is no school event or professional sports event, there should be no problem.

However, IANAL, but it sucks that we have to make this disclaimer. The more I do this kind of research on a particular place the more it chaps my hide that we have to prove a legal right to carry rather than them prove a legal right to exclude - the onus is on us.
They will likely just do what AA Center in Dallas and Cowboys Stadium in Arlington do (sometimes). They will wand you and not allow your entry with CCW. You can complain to the government entities that own the stadiums and they will reference KP-108 and say they didn't post but the entity leasing did, so they won't get fined.
This was the point of the thread I started yesterday.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=86734

Absent any teeth in the penalties, there is no incentive for public venues to permit licensed carry.

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