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NathanJK wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:25 am I’m aware of his efforts and I’m aware that I’ve personally benefited from them. Those past “rights” don’t fix this wrong. It’s a new day, with a huge mistake. He could have just said “I have no comment at this time” and been done. Now, he looks like he’s helping Wayne be a very well compensated, grade a dirt ball.

You are making decisions and accusations based on documents leaked by parties that had a reason to go outside the system, however the other side is not in a position to speak out because they are defending themselves in a lawsuit by parties that wish to destroy them. Consider the leaked documents, and now consider what could potentially be in the documents that were not leaked. Those documents could support the ones that were leaked, or they could invalidate the leaked documents. We simply don't know.

Col. North used a tactic that allowed WLP to accuse him of attempting extortion, and irregardless of the reason those tactics were wrong and potentially illegal. These documents were seemingly leaked to support those tactics, perhaps everyone had good reasons for doing so but in my opinion this looks too much like a power play attempt to take over the NRA to simply pick a side and run with it.

<Party 'A'> You need to step down and give me control or I'm going to put out this document given to me by Party 'C' which will destroy you.
<'Party 'B'> Not happening, you're document is fake.
<Party 'A'> You're lying and even if your not you can't prove it without hurting yourself even worse.

What does the above represent? A Mob boss trying to take over a business or Col. North talking to WLP? Could go either way. Now, about those thug tactics...

NathanJK wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 1:21 pm All of that glosses over the meat of the subject. Wayne makes millions of dollars every year working for a “non-profit” using members dues. Then we find out he’s blowing 280 grand on clothes on rodeo drive, putting an intern up in a rented apartment and jetting all over using up even more money? If things were great maybe it’d be no big deal, but this is the guy who didn’t even try to fight the bumpstock deal, supports red flag laws, and hasn’t gotten the ball into the end zone on the HPA. Let’s not even get into the 24 or whatever it is million dollars to the law firm, I’m sure it’s TOTALLY on the up and up to pay them 100k a day. It’s so legitimate some board member or Oliver North himself had to leak their concerns.

It’s sickening that you publicly commented on this issue to the news. It’s got thug written all over it, and you are over there just polishing away. You and Wayne should both be ousted.

To accuse Charles of thug tactics like you are shows you are not fully aware of the work that man has done for gun rights. In the last ten years he has achieved more for advancing second amendment issues than many people will achieve in the same field over a lifetime. He has put his own personal reputation and finances on the line to advance our cause and here you are mad that he is essentially asking people to stop the infighting and get back to protecting our rights? Based on the latest nonsense in the media and in public the NRA doesn't need to worry about gun grabbers and New York attorney's destroying it, it needs to worry about the all or nothing crowd along with the people that claim to support gun rights while pushing the "NAGR, GOA, and even mad mommies but NEVER NRA!!!!!!!" agenda.

WTR wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 10:52 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 10:40 am

WTR wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 10:25 am I think all executives making over $100,000.00 / year need to have term limits ( as I believe congress should have.) We need an audit by a reputable independent accounting firm and let the chips fall where they may. If anyone is opposed to such an audit then something fishy is most likely afoot.

The NRA is audited by RSM annually. They are a major accounting firm. The chips will fall and as soon as the lawsuit against the NY Governor and the NY AG's attempt to make good on a her threat are over, the truth will come out. Until then, everyone must understand that we cannot disclose information that would waive the attorney-client privilege. When deciding who is telling the truth, don't let a public persona deceive you as to a person's true motive. Ask yourself this: why would a current NRA Board Member discuss confidential information discussed in executive session, when doing so violates their fiduciary duty to the Association? The answer is painfully simple.

Your $100,000 figure for critical positions in a $350 million organization is naive to say the least. You get what you pay for and $100,000 executives don't get Donald Trump elected President. As for term limits, we all are subject to term limits. When the Members decide we should go, then we don't get elected. What you mean by term limits is when the Members don't vote as you want them to vote, then you want to be able to impose your will over theirs.

Chas.

$100,000.00 may be naive. Up the salary to $500.000.00 of any paid Executive. I still think there should be mandatory term limits. I

In government I agree with term limits, but everywhere else I don't. You get what you pay for when it comes to executives, and if someone is doing good then you want them to keep doing a good job so you pay them what it takes to keep them. Otherwise you are placing government controls on salaries and wages which is somewhere we really don't want to go...

Does the NRA need some reform? Yes, EVERY organization will need some reform in some way at any given time, but going in and demanding changes without knowing details can be a major problem. Consider the way Col. North approached WLP regarding the improprieties that reportedly happened. That alone cost Col. North my trust. "Hey I've got this letter with a bunch of dirt on you that I will turn over to the BOD if you don't step down quietly, but if you step down quietly I will make it all go away." is NOT the way you fix a supposedly corrupt organization. As for everything else I am waiting to see what happens and as Mr. Cotton said, the NRA is audited regularly by an independent highly reputable firm so we will find out what is going on.

jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.

I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!