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EEllis wrote:

Carzan wrote:
So I am confused as to what you are stating would be your best estimate of appropriate action in this scenario? I think ( at least I hope) I have made it clear I would not want to start any shootout however if they began shooting I would want to be prepared to react quickly. And it does make me want to re-evaluate how many rounds my weapon will hold.

Are you stating you would feel comfortable on betting that if you simply shoot one guy, the other five will turn tail and run?

There are so many variables that I couldn't say what the best thing to do is. Heck just when you see the BG's and where you are standing can make a night a day difference on if you should act. Unless I noticed and was able to get the "drop" on the BG's I don't think I would fire unless directly threatened, or I thought someone else was in danger. I do feel comfortable with saying that after anyone shoots the BG's will be hauling butt out of there. Now they well may keep shooting as they leave but it would be almost unheard of for them to stay just to shoot it out when they are robbing someplace. Gunshots bring cops and they don't want to meet the cops so they move unless there is some personal beef or they are completely flipped.

EEllis wrote:

Carzan wrote:
Would you have thought 6 guys with guns were going to roll into a mickey D's, where you were in the middle of ordering a happy meal for your five year old, and rob EVERYBODY in the place? My point is if these people are desperate enough to rob a busy McDonalds then they are desperate enough to be a very unpredictable sort. I'm quite certain the man who died shielding children from robbers a few months back didn't think it was a movie either! No, I don't think this is a cop movie. But what I do think is that when people are desperate enough, anything is possible.

My main point was that in reality, me nor most people who are carrying don't really stand a chance against six guys with guns if those guys start firing back for any reason. Especially if we are only carrying 8 or 9 rounds! This situation will cause me to re-evaluate my EDC and manage my own personal risk to where I feel comfortable.

Do whatever makes you feel comfortable. What I am saying is sure anything and everything is possible but if you don't prepare for what is reasonable or likely then what is the point. I mean they all 6 could be sextuplets because of some fertility drugs their mom took and if you shoot one then they all may go into a suicidal rage and not stoop attacking until you are everyone of them are dead, but that isn't the scenario I'm going to plan for. Heck lets face facts what we do prepare for is pretty dang unlikely in the first place thank god, but what the heck it's not a lot of effort and it provides me some peace of mind to know that if something does happen I'm able to respond. Carry more ammo if you want, I have no problem with those that do. I just think that if it is this situation that you are worrying about then the assumptions about how it would go do and the best response are wrong.

EEllis wrote:

Carzan wrote:I keep thinking about this situation and trying to place myself in similar circumstances in my mind. I keep thinking my Makarov with a single stack would pose a problem in a scenario such as this one. And all the guys who are carrying 1911's would have the same issue. There is the chance that if shooting did break out, one would need more than the 8 or 9 shots these single stack designs provide. I realize many carry an extra mag but if all those guys had a weapon and a CHL fired and actually hit two of them, and two of them ran out the door then there is still two BGs with guns and chances are the CHL has emptied that first magazine on the first two guys and maybe an attempted shot or two at a third. So there you sit with an empty gun trying to change magazines as quickly as possible under an intense pressure the likes of which you have never been exposed to, and there are still two BGs with guns who, 1) know exactly who is shooting at them and 2) are nervous and possibly now angry and possibly amped up on something. The whole thing sounds like a lose lose situation once shooting starts. I don't think I would start the firing but I do believe I would try very hard to get my weapon in a ready but hidden position so I could at least get off some rounds if the BG's decided to start getting rid of witnesses!

Maybe I should reconsider carrying my Glock 23!

I really like an Egg McMuffin but Ill stick to the drive through from now on!

This isn't a cop movie. The BGs aren't going to be getting shot and stay to fight it out to the last man. And do you think any robbery suspect is going to off a whole MickeyD's? Spree shooter sure, but a robber? If you are not spraying bullets I would bet you could bake one mag last until all the BG's were out the door. The problem is how many bystanders would be killed before that happens.