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Charles L. Cotton wrote:1) Must a citizen support another citizen's right to say anything, anywhere and any time in order to not be considered "almost a 1st Amendment supporter?

NO. Speech has limits. The 1A limits what the government can regulate with respect to speech. The 1A does not limit what citizens can regulate with respect to private property. Saying you support limits on speech does not make you almost a 1A supporter.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: 2) Must the government refrain from passing any laws, rules or regulations that limit speech in any fashion?

No. Governments have passed laws, rules, and regulations limiting speech. I am fine with this. Why wouldn't I be?

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

mojo84 wrote:How about applying this same question to the 1st Amendment? Should we be a bit to say anything anywhere we want? Some seem to want to limit when and where I practice my. Christian faith. What about free association and gathering?

Can you only be partially for the 11st Amendment at times and in certain places or do you have to be for it "all in" anytime anywhere?

We have to allow tons of speech and expression that is vile and goes counter to our beliefs because of the 1st amendment. Speech and expression is no where near as "infringed" as our 2A rights. People keep brining up the "yell fire in a theater" example. It is illegal to pull your weapon and shoot into the ceiling of a theater so this example is worthless.

If or 2A freedoms were allowed as much as our 1A we would be doing really well.

I've read this post and your other responses to mojo84's question, but I've yet to see an answer. Why will you not give a straight answer? Why use the Hillary Shuffle to avoid giving a direct answer? Can you be partially for the First Amendment? It is an "all or nothing" situation as you claim for the Second Amendment?

Chas.

Are we talking about all or nothing for citizens or for the government?

There are indeed few rights that are absolute. The right to life is one of them.

The 2A and RKBA comes close and limits what the government can do.

Sorry my responses are not coming as quickly as you would like. I have my grandkids with me and have to post in between attention to them.

mojo84 wrote:Anygun, you have to take my comments and comparison in context of the OP.

The op is asking about all or nothing. Very few things in life is all or nothing. To help you understand the premise. Are you anti 1st Amendment because you accept and tolerate some limitations? That's the premise of this discussion.

Open carry is not protected either. You I ow, property rights and all.

Being anti-OC as a property owner does not mean you are not pro-2A and really has nothing to do with the 2A so it is an apple/orange. Same with comparing OC to free speech.

There are those who will never OC. That is their decision. However, those that never will OC need to support the right of those who will OC the freedom to do it where allowed.

Now, if we can only get those pesky government infringements on the 2A eliminated we would be doing pretty well.

mojo84 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

mojo84 wrote:How about applying this same question to the 1st Amendment? Should we be a bit to say anything anywhere we want? Some seem to want to limit when and where I practice my. Christian faith. What about free association and gathering?

Can you only be partially for the 11st Amendment at times and in certain places or do you have to be for it "all in" anytime anywhere?

We have to allow tons of speech and expression that is vile and goes counter to our beliefs because of the 1st amendment. Speech and expression is no where near as "infringed" as our 2A rights. People keep brining up the "yell fire in a theater" example. It is illegal to pull your weapon and shoot into the ceiling of a theater so this example is worthless.

If or 2A freedoms were allowed as much as our 1A we would be doing really well.

So the two are being treated similarly. What's the problem?

As far as jumping to the extreme example of yelling fire in a theater, that is not what I was thinking at all as that is just hyperbole trying to make a point. How about a more reasonable scenario? Two people sitting in a crowded theater and talking to each other throughout the e tire movie? Do you really think that will be allowed even though it may not technically rise to the level of being illegal? What about me walking around inside HEB prosthletizing and passing out tracts?

Jumping to the extreme does not do your argument or our cause good. I also never said the two issues were infringed equally. The example of limits is quite valid though.

How exactly are the 1st and 2nd amendments being treated similarly today? Do you really think that your 2A freedoms are as broad as that of protected speech? The lefty progs stumble all over themselves claiming 1A freedom and the courts can't wait to rule in their favor on all forms of disgusting and ridiculous speech. Try and get the same support for anything 2A related and you will fail miserably.

My citing the theater example was not to support my argument, it was to illustrate that the example proves nothing and does not relate to anything that exists in reality.

Two people talking during a movie is not protected speech and they can be removed legally and charged with trespassing if they do not leave. The old private property thing at work.

mojo84 wrote:How about applying this same question to the 1st Amendment? Should we be a bit to say anything anywhere we want? Some seem to want to limit when and where I practice my. Christian faith. What about free association and gathering?

Can you only be partially for the 11st Amendment at times and in certain places or do you have to be for it "all in" anytime anywhere?

We have to allow tons of speech and expression that is vile and goes counter to our beliefs because of the 1st amendment. Speech and expression is no where near as "infringed" as our 2A rights. People keep brining up the "yell fire in a theater" example. It is illegal to pull your weapon and shoot into the ceiling of a theater so this example is worthless.

If or 2A freedoms were allowed as much as our 1A we would be doing really well.