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by anygunanywhere
Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:48 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship
Replies: 30
Views: 5126

Re: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship

VMI77 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:Weren't the P-3 squadrons pretty good at finding Soviet subs? And the Helos with the dipping sonar? When I was in the Navy the sub guys told us the only ones that ever had a chance of finding our SSBN's were our own attack boats and even that was rare. My first ship was a guided missile destroyer. Only thing our active sonar was good for was messing with whales! :lol:
Soviet nukes in the old days were notoriously noisy....I don't know about the new ones. That said, if true about the P-3s (and I have reason for skepticism), there may have been other reasons for that success that may still be classified, so I'm reluctant to mention them. Diesel boats are another story. But your active sonar wasn't just good for messing with whales, it would be a big help to any sub wanting a good fire control solution before releasing torpedoes.
On my first patrol we detected a soviet nuke headed home. She was doing a flank bell. She slowed down and did a crazy Ivan baffle clear and came within 1000 yards of us (fire control solution). We were rigged for ultra quiet and she never heard us. After she cleared baffles she cranked it back up and continued her way.

On another patrol there was another soviet nuke attack boat operating in our area. There was one of our attack boats tailing the soviet boat. The US attack boat exited the area and transmitted their intelligence to SUBLANT. When she went back down from periscope depth and went to a flank bell to find the soviet she ran into an unmarked undersea mountain. She had to limp to Sardinia for temporary repairs and then back to the US on the surface. Years later I found out that a coworker was on that boat when she hit the mountain. Small world.
by anygunanywhere
Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:41 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship
Replies: 30
Views: 5126

Re: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship

ScottDLS wrote:Weren't the P-3 squadrons pretty good at finding Soviet subs? And the Helos with the dipping sonar? When I was in the Navy the sub guys told us the only ones that ever had a chance of finding our SSBN's were our own attack boats and even that was rare. My first ship was a guided missile destroyer. Only thing our active sonar was good for was messing with whales! :lol:
My boat was one of the 640 class SSBNs. You had to get within 1000 yards of us before you could detect us with passive sonar. Attack boats were much quieter. We did an operation with the USS Los Angeles when she was on her maiden tour. She was assigned to de-louse us right after we went on alert status covering target packages. Attack boats HATED delousing boomers. During the operation we never heard her even though she started the op by coming at us bow on and going right under us down our track. At the end of the operation we detected her opening steam to her other main engine. She then hammered the throttles and cavitated going to a flank bell. She once again went user us bow on. By the time we turned around to track her she was gone. The current boomers are so quiet it is like looking for a quiet spot in the ocean. The current attack boats (USS Texas is in this class) are quieter at a full bell submerged than a Los Angeless class tied up next to a tender on shore power.

The P-3s were pretty good at finding boomers. The MAD gear easily picked up our mass. We always knew when one found us because we could hear their sonobouys hitting the water and our sonar analysis picked up distinct signatures from their turbines when they flew over us. Doppler shift in their signature. They left us alone once they saw our signature. They knew to forget what and where we were.
by anygunanywhere
Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:08 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship
Replies: 30
Views: 5126

Re: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship

VoiceofReason wrote:
Abraham wrote:If there are no guns, it's not a war ship.

It's a target...
When I was in the Navy, submarines were the targets for our ASW squadron.
Nice try skimmer.
by anygunanywhere
Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:56 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship
Replies: 30
Views: 5126

Re: SS Gabrielle Giffords Christened As Navy’s First Gun-Free Warship

VMI77 wrote:
Abraham wrote:If there are no guns, it's not a war ship.

It's a target...
Haven't you heard...guns or no guns, there are only two types of ships, submarines, and targets. :evil2:
Word!

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