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Mithras61 wrote:

Mike from Texas wrote: There is more than one documented source that show that the HS have a problem plugging when shot through denim. In my own tests in shooting water jugs with 2 layers of denim in front, I experienced a 40% rate of plugging. Obviously you will never know how a round will react in an actual shooting but since we don't have people willing to line up and volunteer to be test subjects we have to go with what's available. I will say that I have shot the HSTs and Gold Dots under the same conditions and have not had this problem with either of them.

EDIT TO ADD: If you need some Gold Dot ammo go to http://www.doubletapammo.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Their loads are listed as "bonded defends loads" but they are Gold Dots.

True, but a .45ACP HydraShok that's plugged is still equivalent to hardball in performance. That still qualifies as better than a whole bunch of other options, in my book...

Not disagreeing at all, a .45 caliber gun is always going to leave at least a .45 hole. But I'm more concerned with over penetration than expansion although I much prefer a near 1.0" hole if I can get it.

MoJo wrote:Too many people get their shorts all in a wad over gelatin testing. Hydrashock has an enviable track record on the street. An example, if you go by gelatin testing, the .357 Magnum 125 gr JHP round won't stop a chipmunk yet it is still the "king of the hill" in self defense loadings. I wouldn't hesitate to carry Hydrashock in any of my handguns in fact, I do in some calibers.

There is more than one documented source that show that the HS have a problem plugging when shot through denim. In my own tests in shooting water jugs with 2 layers of denim in front, I experienced a 40% rate of plugging. Obviously you will never know how a round will react in an actual shooting but since we don't have people willing to line up and volunteer to be test subjects we have to go with what's available. I will say that I have shot the HSTs and Gold Dots under the same conditions and have not had this problem with either of them.

EDIT TO ADD: If you need some Gold Dot ammo go to http://www.doubletapammo.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Their loads are listed as "bonded defends loads" but they are Gold Dots.

Old technology and have a tendency to plug and not expand when going through clothing. Have been issues of jacket/core separation when I tested as well.

Federal HSTs are a much better choice (if you can find them).

MoJo wrote:FMJ is better than a pointy stick or, a stern look but, JHP rules in self defense ammo. You are going into a fight for your life with a miserably underpowered weapon and you need to give yourself every advantage. Keep your current hollow points until you find more. Look for 50 round boxes and buy more than one that way you'll have some backup ammo.

The Geneva Convention addresses POWs and displaced persons the ammunition question is addressed by the Hague Accords which, by the way, the U. S. never subscribed to.

Yep, what he said. And I would almost shoot FMJ before I would shoot Hydra Shoks.