jmra wrote:jbarn wrote:jmra wrote:scottmeador wrote:Do not carry if you are working as a volunteer on a "security" team.
Instead, join the safety team.
It doesn't matter if they are called the comedy team, If their mission meets the definition of guard in the Private Security Act, 1702 of the Occupations Code, they need licensing.
And it's against the law to spit on the sidewalk. Show me an example of a member of a church "safety team" being fined or charged under the private security act.
No, it is not against the law to spit on the sidewalk.
Regardless of what they are called, if their role consist of any of the following licensing is required;
(1) prevent entry, larceny, vandalism, abuse, fire, or
trespass on private property;
(2) prevent, observe, or detect unauthorized activity
on private property;
(3) control, regulate, or direct the movement of the
public, whether by vehicle or otherwise, only to the extent and for
the time directly and specifically required to ensure the
protection of property;
(4) protect an individual from bodily harm including
through the use of a personal protection officer; or
(5) perform a function similar to a function listed in
this section.
Since thread is about CHL in church then my answers are based on carrying a handgun while performing the functions.
I don't have a resource to search for PSB administrative or criminal cases. DO YOU? What I do have is a license as a qualified manager, meaning I have the requisite experience and have passed a test administered by the Bureau. Have you? I have 20 plus years experience.
I am also aware that this very topic became enough of an issue that the PSB placed their ruling on the PSB website around 2007
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/PSB/La ... in_sum.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
May 10, 2007
A volunteer security patrol made up of church members would generally require licensing under the provisions of Section 1702.108 or 1702.222, regardless of whether any compensation is received as a result of the activities. The only exception to licensing provided by the legislature for nonprofit and civic organizations is found in Section 1702.327, which applies specifically to nonprofit and civic organizations that employ peace officers under certain circumstances and would not be applicable here.
However, there is one exception to licensing under Chapter 1702 provided by the legislature that could arguably apply, which can be found in section 1702.323 (“Security department of Private Business”). This exception would allow volunteers to provide security services exclusively for one church, as long as they do not carry firearms and as long as they do not wear “a uniform with any type of badge commonly associated with security personnel or law enforcement or a patch or apparel with ‘security’ on the patch or apparel.” See Tex. Occ. Code §1702.323(a) & (d)(2). Thus, the wearing of a uniform or any apparel containing the word “security” would subject them to the licensing requirements of the act.
