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When an active shooter situation occurs in a school allowing licensed concealed carry, the guns the arriving officer will be most likely to see are the holstered pistol of the CHL holder, standing over the body and weapon of the unactive shooter.

I'll reconsider my pro-campus carry views when we see a rash of active shootings inside of gun stores.

mojo84 wrote:

hillfighter wrote:I would like to see the legislature close the Corporate Cop loophole.

I think most of us agree it's appropriate we have DPS troopers, county sheriffs, municipal police, etc. They work for government agencies.

I don't think there's any legitimate public safety reason for TCU, Valero, Dell, or other corporations to have private security with full police powers, etc.

Are private companies such as Dell and Valero allowed to establish police departments?

There's a difference between hiring of duty cops and establishing a full fledged police department.

When I left Dell a few months ago, it was private security only. Looked like mainly parking lot presence to prevent car break in, rumored to be a problem. No peace officers.

mojo84 wrote:

gljjt wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:
The university has a very well known event center that hosts plays, graduations, concerts, weekly that the general public attends and we work security for those events. Is that not serving the public?

No, you are serving the employer, the PRIVATE university. A peace officer employed by an ISD, city, county, state, etc., serves me. The taxpayer. You would be an entitled citizen with those powers. IF you screw up, at the restaurant for example, who is liable, the University? I think not. Only you. You become a PD of one. I don't approve of that. We will have to disagree. Again, this isn't directed at you personally, but the circumstance.

Check out what Rice has to say about their officers. https://cohesion.rice.edu/campusservices/rupd/about.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, just about all police agencies I'm aware of have Law Enforcement Professional Liability (Errors & Omissions) coverage or they self insure. This provides coverage for when there is a claim.

Everything in that article refers to on campus responsibility and authority. I'll bet their insurance is cheaper if you are only insured for university police responsibilities. Self insure means THEY pay for YOUR mistakes. I'm sure they don't want to do that for off campus activity. If you want fulltime authority, work for a public agency. Regardless, we will just have to disagree. I am done on this topic. Thanks for what you do and best of luck in your LE career.

mojo84 wrote:Do the private universities have to establish police departments that conform to state standards? If so, and they hire licensed commissioned peace officers, seems like they should be considered peace officers just as others are in my opinion.

Then they become liable for non university activity you may do. I don't think they want that and I am speculating that is why the law is written the way it is. If you want full, 24 hour, peace officer privileges, join a tax funded department.

nightmare69 wrote:
The university has a very well known event center that hosts plays, graduations, concerts, weekly that the general public attends and we work security for those events. Is that not serving the public?

No, you are serving the employer, the PRIVATE university. A peace officer employed by an ISD, city, county, state, etc., serves me. The taxpayer. You would be an entitled citizen with those powers. IF you screw up, at the restaurant for example, who is liable, the University? I think not. Only you. You become a PD of one. I don't approve of that. We will have to disagree. Again, this isn't directed at you personally, but the circumstance.

nightmare69 wrote:I would like to see Texas Education Code § 51.212 revised to included licensed Texas peace officers employed by a private university to have all the same powers, privileges, and immunities of other Texas peace officers as defined in Texas CCP Article § 2.12. We hold the same license through TCOLE and go through all the required training as every other peace officer in this state yet our authority is limited. This makes no sense to me.

I have to disagree on this one. You are working in the private sector exclusively. You are not a "public servent". To have the "same powers, privileges, and immunities of other Texas peace officers" while working in the private sector creates a privileged class of private citizen. Yes, you have the training and license, but are not servicing the public. Nothing personal, just a philosophical stance.