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by TVGuy
Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:13 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?
Replies: 83
Views: 10286

Re: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?

K5GU wrote: I'm not a CHL class instructor, but if I was, I'd feel very bad if one of my applicants I signed off on was later involved in an accidental shooting incident because he/she couldn't safely handle the gun. Many CHL instructors apparently are just reading from a book and scoring a written test and then counting some holes in a target. And I suppose the term 'instructors' as used here is a misnomer.
:iagree: Or be in a rare situation where they have to defend themselves and can't due to the fact they've only shot 50 rounds in a proficiency test. They passed it because it's what the law says, but really couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from three yards.

I have over 85 hours of tactical, real world training in the last six months alone and only hope I could. That's not counting target practice on a stationary Indoor range.

I feel bad for someone that carries and doesn't train regularly, you might as well throw your pistol at them.
by TVGuy
Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:09 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?
Replies: 83
Views: 10286

Re: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?

mojo84 wrote:Apparently, you and those that passed have sufficient skill. They aren't wanting to make sure we are marksmen. The intent is to determine if we can handle the gun in a safe manner and shoot we enough to hit a human size target at close range.

The driving test does the same thing.
Hit a human size target at close range? :biggrinjester:
by TVGuy
Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:35 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?
Replies: 83
Views: 10286

Re: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?

TomsTXCHL wrote:I find it disturbing that some in this thread are confusing Training and Gun Safety with the CHL testing requirements (which are primarily about being exposed to Texas law), and who feel that more needs to be done by the Government before people can get-or-keep their CHL. And this from gun people i.e. members of the texaschlforum.

:oops: :banghead:

As Chas has mentioned, there is "statistically insignificant" support for such a position.

I do recall that gun safety was presented and re-iterated in my own class, and there was some valuable assistance in the range session for some of the trainees who had little prior experience with their firearms, but it's then up to the individuals, not the State, to continue their pursuit of knowledge, gain (and maintain) further proficiency, and learn situational awareness in preparation for that awful day that might come when they are carrying.

I don't think you can legislate that, or at least, I don't want to live in a place where some bureaucrat has that responsibility over me!

:nono:
For the record - I don't believe that there should be more training in the CHL class, but I don't think that someone that has never shot or handled a gun in their life should be able to pass the proficiency test. I've seen multiple people as described above pass the class each time I've taken it on the first try and not even come close to failing.

To those equating this to a driver license test, it's essentially the same as being able to turn the key and put the transmission in drive.

The proficiency test should be difficult enough that you have to have some skill to be able to pass it.
by TVGuy
Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:52 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?
Replies: 83
Views: 10286

Re: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?

WildBill wrote:I am not going to flame anyone, but it's strange how many people on the forum say that they support "constitutional carry", i.e. no license required, but think the proficiency test is too lenient.

I think that it is every person's responsibility to become safe and proficient with their particular firearm, but that is their own personal choice.

A person who doesn't learn and practice with their firearms will find this out too late.
I never said I support "Constitutional Carry". Frankly, I don't.

Once again, I say that as my opinion and expect to hear plenty of opposition.
by TVGuy
Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:35 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?
Replies: 83
Views: 10286

Re: Is The CHL Proficiency Test Sufficient?

Negative, no handling skills were taught.

I know I'm going to get hardcore flamed on this, but I don't think there is nearly enough training. Yes, it is your right to carry. The safety and proficiency levels of MANY people with CHLs is extremely low.

I've been to renewal classes (when that was still around) that multiple people had not fired their weapon since the last CHL proficiency test. That's completely irresponsible. I hate to say it, but I think there are more of those than people who go out even every six months...which is still not enough.

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