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Mike S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:41 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:33 am

oljames3 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:28 am HEB in Elgin, Texas, has posted TPC 30.05 signs on both sets of front doors. TPC 30.07 sign in English is on one set of doors and TPC 30.07 sing in Spanish is on the other. TPC 30.05 sign is black letters on clear glass. TPC 30.07 sign is white letters on clear glass.

So, I take that to mean that HEB is okay with licensed concealed carry, then?

Yes, concealed carry with an LTC at HEB is the current policy, & appears to remain unchanged.

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ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:57 pm

oljames3 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:33 pm ...
I am also not a lawyer. HB1927 did not amend TPC 30.05(b)(2)(C) which seems to indicate that any sign that reasonably prohibits handguns would be effective notice. https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs ... /PE.30.htm

(C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, indicating that entry is forbidden;

It did amend TXPC 30.05, specifically to provide the specifications for written notice to bar entry with a firearm.

Nothing about pictogram sign makes it at all clear that entry to the location is forbidden, particularly for a commercial establishment generally open to the public.

Tex1961 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:12 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:57 pm

Tex1961 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:52 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:46 pm

powerboatr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:29 pm double down on a GREAT presentation in this document.

my wife was up until after 4 am reading and re-reading and writing down questions.
we have had numerous hours this morning on the merits and rules plus the LTC of which i have.
its a fantastic little teaching document and my household is very very thankful it was put together.
really like the references that make it easier to go read the law to further help guide the brain

i did find the chart to be odd in regards to signage and how the law makes its seem funny, if posted one way then only unlicensed holders are allowed

That and the contention that a Beretta silhouette with a circle and a slash constitutes effective notice under 30.05. Lawyers being lawyers, especially since they have prepaid legal services offerings and it is in their interest to dissuade you from being the proverbial "test case".

What contention, it’s pretty black and white for non LTC.. Gun buster signs are effective notice under C carry.

What section of TXPC 30.05 supports that contention?

There is no contention.... I.E No argument.... 30.05 under criminal trespass. Effective notice (and I don't have the new text under HB 1927). 30.05 or gun buster sign is legal when not carrying under the authority of LTC... 30.06 / 07 are the actual only signs that must meet a legal definition under LTC, whereas 51% and 46.03 apply to both... 30.05 and gun buster apply to C carry only... read the US law shield publication.. Their attorneys and multiple others out there who are much smarter than me agree that gun buster signs are effective and legal notice for C Carry.

(C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, indicating that entry is forbidden;