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Greybeard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:18 pm I think we should all bring this issue to DPS' attention at upcoming renewal sessions, which I do on the afternoon of Aug. 24. Continued no-gos on lasers could be understandable as even the green ones are virtually worthless in the daylight.

FWIW, I put a semi-pricey red dot on a "training" Hellcat last year. Much like the lasers (which i initially opposed many years ago), red dots on pistols do take some time to get used to for those of us so acclimated to using nothing but conventional sights.

I'm in the morning session that day and will try to bring it up.

Agree on lasers. Other than playing call of duty, the only defensive pistol use I see for them is on a red gun, when showing students how they flinch when pulling the trigger.

As far as I can tell, this should be a simple administrative action on the part of RSD/DPS. There's no statutory language on optics for LTC.

Our job as instructors is not to tell students what to carry. We all have our opinions.The shoot test is pass/fail. Red dots are not going away and as more and more LE switch to them, the (non competing/recreational shooting) public is going to follow.

The fundamentals still apply, no matter the sighting system. We need to adjust w/ the times and not let our own personal biases hold back those we instruct.

With the explosion of red dots on guns including OEM direct from the manufacturer, has there been any movement from RSD/DPS to modernize the qualification shoot restrictions?

Don't know about you, but more and more students are showing up with red dots. When this rule was written, an optic on a handgun was a big complicated affair and it wasn't a 'carry' gun. We need to get with the times.

Me: "The state says you can't use them."
Student: "Why not?"
Me: "...ummmm."

LTC Course Outline, p24:

"No optical enhancers can be used by the student during the proficiency demonstration. (No lasers, holographic sights, scopes, etc.)"