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by Scott B.
Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:16 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Who's running a dot on their pistol?
Replies: 49
Views: 16918

Re: Who's running a dot on their pistol?

cmgee67 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:54 pm
KC5AV wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:15 pm Regarding Holosun and Sig...I’ve heard speculation that Holosun actually makes some of the optics for Sig.
I spoke with Sig optics over the phone. I asked him specifically if Holosun made the over seas sig optics. His exact words were “did you read that on the internet? It is not true at all”. Some of sigs optics for Leo and military use are and have to be made in the USA according to sig. Budget optics are made over seas and higher end are made either in Arkansas or Oregon. All of that info again came directly from sig when I bought my last optic.
Disclosure, I was fortunate enough to spend a week at Sig Sauer last year as their guest. I try not to let that influence my opinions about them but of course it does.

That said, this is how they put it. Their optics are 'assembled in' Oregon and that division is growing at a phenomenal pace. They've hired a bunch of experienced and really talented engineers. You can see that in the generational leaps they've made across the optics line.

Their higher end stuff is US / Japan from what I've heard over the last couple of years. We've all heard the same thing about the middle to lower end stuff and Holosun. They would neither confirm nor deny and go back to 'assembled in Oregon'. Now, I'd note that Trijicon sued Holosun and not any other competing brands.

The Arkansas reference is to their Xray 3 pistol night sights. Yep, they're made in Arkansas where they're also cranking out millions of rounds of ammo. Expect to see more products originate from those AR based facilities in the future.


One training tip I picked up from an HPD instructor. Try taping over the front of the optic with some painters tape (keep it off the glass itself). Practice your draw to the dot without worrying about what you'd see thru the glass. If you have to hunt for the dot. Stop and reset.

Conversely, Sig says if you can't find the dot just go for your front sight. Then the dot will be there.

Mostly it's about reps. Draw, sight picture, pull trigger.
by Scott B.
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:03 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Who's running a dot on their pistol?
Replies: 49
Views: 16918

Re: Who's running a dot on their pistol?

My carry pistol has a red dot, Romeo1Pro, 3 MOA. I'm a reluctant convert, but convert I did because I sell so many to LEOs. Figured I should be able to speak about the product w/ more than theoretical knowledge. It took me about 700 ~ 800 rounds before I became a believer. I continue to train w/ it and improve.

In the medium to full frame gun optics:

Trijicon has the best rep, but the RMR has a smaller field of view than its competitors and a bottom mounted battery.

Leopold is a solid optic, but they're the tallest of that form factor requiring extremely tall sights (and limited selection) if you want to 'co-witness'.

Sig is coming on strong. I would avoid the original Romeo1 for daily carry (poor battery life) but it's fine for range toys. The Romeo1Pro corrects the battery life issue and has a more standardized footprint. The commercial guns w/ optic mounted don't come with the protective shroud that the LE guns ship with, but that's an easy aftermarket add on for $40. If you buy a Romeo1Pro optic separately the shroud is included.

The spoiler in the field is Holosun for features and price point. They're so good that Trijicon had to sue them for patent infringement. ;-) (since settled we're told).

In the micro optic for micro gun range...just realize there's a lot of technical hurdles to overcome.

I'm most interested in the new Holosun micro optics, but the new Trijicon RMSc will be hard to beat. The 365 XLZ w/ Romeozero mounted makes for an easy package w/ acceptable price point.

There are certainly other brands out there, but I have no experience w/ them and they haven't made the cut w/ the agencies I'm familiar with.

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