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EEllis wrote:

LAYGO wrote:What would happen if . . . say you had some zip ties in the vehicle . . . and zip tied his hands behind his back?

(Omitting the fact that you'd have to put the gun away/not the best tactical move to put them on, but you had help ...)

If you happen to have cuffs and ignoring the tactical issues I would say go ahead but zip ties are different and I wouldn't go there. Heck tie em up or even duct tape him if you want but zip ties just feels like a bad idea.

Yes, cuffing somebody is a tactical issue, and should only be attempted if properly trained as well. You can also get in trouble for not applying them properly to my understanding. Tightening cuffs too tight can bring trouble, as well as not double locking them, at least in my world. I don't really know how it translates to non-LEO. I have to go through training for restraint use, and even security guards have to get a training certificate to use handcuffs.

Handcuffs pretty much require armed backup unless you can convince the BG to put them on himself.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but jumping into handcuff somebody isn't something you should do if all your training is watching COPS. I think I'll go back on myself if I've said otherwise, but I do not suggest detaining somebody if you're not trained of comfortable doing it. I myself have to issues doing it, but I can't say I've always had 100% at cuffing somebody that assumed the position. The BG's are still a very real threat, even if they make out like an airplane on the ground.

Does somebody smell Blue Berry Muffins? I think I'm getting off track, I'll go try to find those muffins now.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:You did a great job.

Some have asked about how to answer a BG's question "are you a COP." My answer would be "you're under arrest for aggravated robbery. Stay on the ground and live." (Don't say "citizen's arrest" or everyone including the BG will think you're an idiot.) He'll think I'm a COP and as Excaliber said, he probably won't be as willing to get up.

Chas.

That avoids direct implication of being LEO, but gives the impression of such. The law to me seems to have a tad shade of gray, and I'd hate for some bozo to rat one of us out, by blabbing off his mouth once the boys in blue arrive, and I can imagine things taking a wrong turn. Not implying it could or would, just my wild imagination! I have my line rehearsed, but I have authority behind it, at least as long as I stay in this career. (Now that I think of it, it's not really the boys in blue anymore, more like the boys in black. I'm just happy I get to wear tan! Texas is too hot for black! )

I had been thinking of why nobody suggested cuffing him or such, but I forgot that not everybody here is a LEO. I feel much better sitting on top of somebody who's "cuffed and stuffed", then holding them at gunpoint, hoping I don't have to shoot them, and hoping they don't try to pull any stunts. Regardless, as I said before, great job on the OP!

I'd have the next round on me i I were in town, good job. You had the sense to put everybody else first, and you protected those in the store, You did the right thing in my eyes, because it's not about catching the bad guy, that's the job for the guys in uniform.