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Quote: "I'm sorry, yes.... LOL He was saying boomerang is being catty."

Correct, and I believe he was...

Quote: "I told you the answer on the first page. I can't help it if you don't like the answer."

Meow....

Quote "MAYBE"

Now, THAT's the kind of answer I can get behind.

Apparently, no one knows the answer to my question. That's OK, and it's fine for one to say they don't know when they don't know.

Still, I find it an interesting question about an event that has never ( and hopefully will never) happened to me and was just kind of wondering about it.

While I'm at it, anybody know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin....

Quote: "I would put my hand on top of the gun and press down very hard. Then punch the person in the face or push very hard. If the person kept coming after me, rinse and repeat. If the person is beating the snot out of me, get separation, and then use deadly force to stop the attack."

I repeat, I am not looking for tactical advice or info about evasive maneuvers. I just want to know if a grown adult non-LEO stranger civilian trying to take your gun by force constitutes a reason for you to use deadly force....

Quote: "In this hypothetical case the CHL holder obviously was able to retain possesion of the weapon to be able to use deadly force against the gun grabber."

Since this was my hypothetical to begin with I can correct you and say that it is/was not "obvious that the CHL holder was able to retain" his gun.

My question was, simply, if an unknown-to-you civilian tries to take your gun away does that act in and of itself give you reason to use deadly force? I thought it was a pretty simple question for one who might happen to know the answer.

I understand (and mentioned at the outset) that there were many tangents that could complicate such a question. The great majority of these tangents serve only to complicate, but do not change the essence of my initial question.

I have learned, though, that if a five year old, who use to be a cop, who is standing with one foot in a state that has the castle doctrine, and one foot in a state that does not, and is inappropriately wearing a 30-06 sign around his neck, while we are less than 1 foot from a Federal building that houses a racetrack, a carnival, occasional sporting events, and a satellite post office that I may have to think twice about where to bury the survivors from the crash....

"Doesn't happen and if it did I..."

That's a pretty bold statement. Do you mean doesn't happen as in the whole history of the world, or just based on your personal knowledge?

Thanks for the input folks. That's sort of what I figured, specifically that a gun grab would make cause for use of deadly force against the grabber. As one pointed out, Implementation is quite the different matter.

I'm not supposing that I could necessarily pull off a retaliation to such an attack, just wondering hypothetically what the legalities would be if one person tried to take another's gun with no right or reason.

Thanks again...

Boomerang,

The "five year old scenario" was one of the myriad of tangential lines I didn't want to go down.

As for the gun grabbers "intent", in my hypothetical I don't know. I know only that a GROWN civilian stranger person is trying to take my gun.

Is that alone sufficient to warrant use of deadly force on my part?

Suppose you are carrying legally and concealed, but, some stranger civilian happens to notice or figure out that you are carrying. If that stranger civilian tries to grab your gun is that in and of its self reasonable cause for you to use deadly force?

I understand that there are many tangents this chat could take about how no one is ever supposed to see your gun or figure out that you are carrying one but, hey, it happens from time to time. So as not to get diverted down that, or any other tangential path, let me re ask my question:

Does the sole act of some unknown civilian stranger trying to take your gun from you by force constitute a reason for you to use deadly force to retain your gun?