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paxton25 wrote:That wasn't a quote from him, and I didn't claim it was. Basically by saying I will sign a bill if it comes across my desk he is saying if someone else does the work to get it to him he won't fight it. That's different from actually going out there and stumping for it. He isn't throwing his full support behind the bill. If he was he would be saying something more encouraging like, "I urge the legislature to pass a bill" I have listened to virtually everything he has said on this issue and I have never heard him say he wants the legislature to pass the bill, only that if it comes across his desk he will sign it.

Vol Texan wrote:

TXBO wrote:
I grew up in Tennessee. Back in the early 1980's and before, Hunter's Safety was included in freshman Health class. It was a requirement to graduate.

Where in Tennessee did you grow up?

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Charlies.Contingency wrote: Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

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txglock21 wrote:Sorry to hijack this thread, but the last line of the article mentions a proposed bill to make the last weekend of August a tax free weekend on firearms and hunting equipment. I see long lines at the gun counters if passed.

The feds should repeal the excise tax on guns and ammo. Can you imagine the uproar if they put an excise tax on bibles?

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Charlies.Contingency wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws have exterminated hundreds of millions of people globally.

Please, explain this further as to how it is relevant? How is wanting people to go through a CHL course exterminating hundreds of millions of people in this situation?

Total confiscation historically is the end game where common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions are placed on a country's citizens. CHLs are what I refer to as one of your reasonable restrictions.

The second amendment says nothing about training being required.

Since CHL's to you will lead to our deaths, we'll move on from that. Could you explain to me what you want as far as how guns are bought, sold, and who can have them, and where they can carry them? You don't have to go into song, I just want to know what it is that is acceptable to you. I only have bits and peices from previous posts

I have no problem with restricting felons from carrying.

Requiring permits to exercise God given rights is infringement whether it is OC or CC.

Citizens should be allowed to carry wherever LEO can carry.

Machine gun bans are extreme infringements. Citizens should be allowed to purchase and own whatever the military is using.

What I carry on my person is no one else's business.

I have mixed thoughts on background checks. If all it was was a background check called in when a person produces government issued ID then that would be OK but my distrust of government gives me pause for concern. Having to fill out the stupid 4473 is a waste of time. I used to be an FFL so I have experience with the laws and ATF audits.

Person to person sales are a fact of life. Get over it. The government should forget about it. There are no gun show loopholes.

Firearms laws are a state concern, not the feds. The interstate commerce clause has been overused and is a tool for tyranny.

Since firearms are a state concern, the feds have pretty much rolled up, squashed, and trampled all over the second amendment. The Post Office, Corp of Engineers, BLM, Parks Service, pretty much every fed alphabet agency has made infringing the second amendment their stock and trade.

Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You want a new system, i'm just trying to work with what we have now. I hope you understand that it's not because I want restrictions.

mojo84 wrote:.... The range time is not to teach one how to handle a gun or how to shoot it. It is to see if you can competently handle one.

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Charlies.Contingency wrote:

TXBO wrote:

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

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joe817 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

gdanaher wrote:From the DMN:

"Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, introduced a bill that would allow people to carry handguns without obtaining a concealed handgun license."

Idk about that. I would like to keep CC the way it is, but add an OC option that would allow for licensed/unlicensed carry with proper certification like the CHL. I just don't want somebody to buy a gun who's never shot it, carry it around in public, and try to engage somebody without knowing the laws regarding the use of force, or having any training at all to hit their target and not kill innocent people.

Totally agree!That's a BAD IDEA!. Just asking for trouble.

Thanks Joe, I am ANTI-restrictions as much as practically possible. I just want everybody to be safely practicing their rights.

That's dangerous territory. What about First Amendment rights for example?

Chas.

You are terrible observant sometimes Chas. But I hope you know that I just meant that I want people to be safe when handling firearms, I am very emotionally tied to this as I have been crippled for life and endure pain every day for somebody not practicing proper firearm safety.

You certainly have a different perspective than most of us. You have my prayers for comfort. I do have two questions for you:

1) Do you believe that the current TX CHL training requirements adequately affect the proficiency of a CHL holder in a defensive situation?

2) Do you see the peril in arbitrary training requirements to exercise a right?

1. In comparrison to having no instruction at all, yes, I do. In return, do you see no benefit from taking a CHL course?

2. It seems that some people see the process to get a CHL as terrible burden and so terriibly restrictive, that it prevents people from exercising their rights. That's like askig if I see the peril in having arbitrary requirements to buy a gun. There needs to be middle ground found, and I believe our current process is acceptable. In return, do you believe that we should have no regulations on who can carry a gun where? That it should be completely free?

I am willing to debate this until it's dead, we're talking about our opinions here, not arguing over facts.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

joe817 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

gdanaher wrote:From the DMN:

"Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, introduced a bill that would allow people to carry handguns without obtaining a concealed handgun license."

Idk about that. I would like to keep CC the way it is, but add an OC option that would allow for licensed/unlicensed carry with proper certification like the CHL. I just don't want somebody to buy a gun who's never shot it, carry it around in public, and try to engage somebody without knowing the laws regarding the use of force, or having any training at all to hit their target and not kill innocent people.

Totally agree!That's a BAD IDEA!. Just asking for trouble.

Thanks Joe, I am ANTI-restrictions as much as practically possible. I just want everybody to be safely practicing their rights.

That's dangerous territory. What about First Amendment rights for example?

Chas.

You are terrible observant sometimes Chas. But I hope you know that I just meant that I want people to be safe when handling firearms, I am very emotionally tied to this as I have been crippled for life and endure pain every day for somebody not practicing proper firearm safety.