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by ELB
Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:02 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Missouri passes permitless conceal carry via massive pro gun bill
Replies: 81
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Re: Missouri passes permitless conceal carry via massive pro gun bill

Missouri lawmakers loosen gun laws, back voter photo ID
JEFFERON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Missouri's Republican-led Legislature used its supermajority Wednesday to significantly loosen the state's gun laws and potentially tighten its voting requirements as lawmakers overrode numerous vetoes of Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.

The sweeping guns legislation would allow most adults to carry concealed weapons without needing a permit while also expanding people's right to defend themselves both in public and private places.

Missouri lawmakers loosen gun laws, override veto of 'constitutional carry' law
The Republican-led Legislature enacted the law Wednesday by a 24-6 Senate vote and a 112-41 vote in the House. Both exceeded the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto of Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.
by ELB
Sun May 15, 2016 9:18 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Missouri passes permitless conceal carry via massive pro gun bill
Replies: 81
Views: 19368

Re: Missouri passes permitless conceal carry via massive pro gun bill

Keith B wrote: I think Nixon will do a partial veto of the bill. ... I don't think they would have passed if it had been by itself on a bill. .
Is that possible in Missouri? To my knowledge, most (all?) places the governor gets to sign, veto, or allow silently to pass, and if it hits his desk he has to do one of the three for the whole bill. Combining stuff he likes with stuff he doesn't like is traditionally one of the powers/strategies of a legislature, and "line-item" vetoes have not faired well in legislatures or courts. Is Missouri different in that regard?
Keith B wrote: Interestingly, while the bills allows concealed carry without a permit, there are some real major penalty differences if you do or don't have a permit. Without a permit, if you carry into a prohibited location, you can be guilty of a Class A misdemeanor or Class D felony, depending on the location. If you have a permit, then carrying into a prohibited location carries no criminal penalties at all, unless you refuse to leave, then you can be issued a ticket for $100 for the first offense.
There's also the legal problem of the Gun-Free School Zones Act. The only exception for carrying a loaded handgun in the 1000' zone around a school is a license or permit issued by the state. If you map out all the school zones, this limits state-level "constitutional carry", especially in cities and suburbs. As a practical point, of course people are seldom prosecuted for this by the feds unless they have brought attention to themselves otherwise, but as a legal matter it greatly restricts constitutional carry areas.

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