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retrieverman wrote:Xander

I am sorry that I expressed my opinion on this topic, and I in no way meant to get your drawers in a knot.

Don't be! Our discussions would be boring if we all held the same opinions as each other. I assure you that no offense was taken by me regarding yours.

retrieverman wrote: Since I don't frequent such establishments that require "carding" this should never be a problem I will ever encounter, but I appreciate your opinion and will research this topic further. Until I find a definitive "legal" answer to the question at hand, my course of action would remain as stated.

Here's the specific law at issue...I think it's fairly clear, but read into it what you will.

Â§ 411.205. DISPLAYING LICENSE; PENALTY. (a) If a
license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license
holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that
the license holder display identification, the license holder shall
display both the license holder's driver's license or
identification certificate issued by the department and the license
holder's handgun license. A person who fails or refuses to display
the license and identification as required by this subsection is
subject to suspension of the person's license as provided by
Section 411.187.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person fails or
refuses to display the license and identification as required by
Subsection (a) after previously having had the person's license
suspended for a violation of that subsection. An offense under this
subsection is a Class B misdemeanor.

Xander

retrieverman wrote:Xander

Thanks for clearing that up for me, and I will say definitively that I absolutely would not show my CHL to a LEO whose only job at the lounge is carding minors. In my opinion, if it is legal to carry in these lounges, I would feel know obligation to draw unnecessary attention to myself by showing my CHL.

Then IMO, you'd be breaking the law and risk having your CHL suspended if the LEO saw you printing, or has any other reason to check you for weapons. The law doesn't differentiate between traffic stops, and any time a peace officer asks you for identification. The law says that if a peace officer asks you for identification, you must display your CHL, and it makes no exceptions, even if the peace officer is off-duty and checking id for a club.

If anyone knows differently please speak up, but at this point I simply don't see that option being a lawful one.

Xander

retrieverman wrote:
I am unclear as to what a "hookah lounge" is. If it is a lounge/bar, wouldn't the 51% rule prohibit carrying anyway?

No...It's a tobacco-centric establishment. Since they tend to be owned and patronized by folks with Islamic backgrounds and persuasions, alcohol is often not even offered or allowed.

Xander

Abraham wrote:Has the law changed or am I slipping?

When I got my first CHL, I could swear if an officer stopped me while driving, I didn't HAVE to show my CHL unless requested. In fact, there were some officers who would get huffy because they hadn't requested it if you produced without request. At least, that's what our instructor relayed to us.

So which is it - Automatically produce it with your D.L. or only when it's requested?

Jim posted the actual text of the specific law. Anytime a peace officer requests your identification, if you have your handgun with you, you must present your CHL.

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