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It wasnt directed at you at all. I was more generalizing all the threads with different scenarios that always end with the same answer.

Why does everyone keep trying to find a loophole that isnt there? I keep seeing these scenarios but they all have the same conclusion: If you are carrying and are asked for ID by a LEO then you have to produce both. Period. Doesnt matter if you are taking a wizz in the upstairs bathroom or landing the space shuttle, carrying+asked=production. Until the law is changed it is the law and you need comply. Not carrying + not driving=can refuse if warranted (chl and/or DL). If you are unarmed then I believe PC 38.02 applies.