Are you sure he didn't tell you there was no "legal limit" for intoxication while carrying a handgun, which is correct?Diode wrote:Careful what CHL instructors tell you, mine said there was no law about getting drunk while carrying my handgun. He told us this in our class. I was shocked. Check on it myself and found he was wrong. As for the sign, I am under the impression if it is not a 30.06 it is not valid.wileyj wrote:I also asked my CHL instructor about this and here is her reply:
In a message dated 2/5/2006 6:32:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, wiley@wkyote.us writes:
Possession of a handgun under Authority of Texas Concealed Handgun Permit Law, Texas Civil Statutes article 4413 ( 29ee) is prohibited beyond this point
hey wiley
I am i glad you sent this to me, i thought it looked familiar but i wanted to check with legal before i said anything. this is one of the original sign (1995) and it IS still valid. we DO have to honor it. what was really weird is i saw one today at a store and would have ignored it had it not been for you. thank-you. i will be passing this info on to everyone.
thanks again, feel free to shout at me anytime.
So, there is another point of view. I respect this person's knowledge and I will honor the sign
..wiley
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- Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:41 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Once more - 4413
- Replies: 27
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- Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:10 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Once more - 4413
- Replies: 27
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There is no 4413 anymore, the sign is not enforceable. Read 30.06 and SHOW me where it shows that the sign is enforceable.wileyj wrote:I also asked my CHL instructor about this and here is her reply:
In a message dated 2/5/2006 6:32:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, wiley@wkyote.us writes:
Possession of a handgun under Authority of Texas Concealed Handgun Permit Law, Texas Civil Statutes article 4413 ( 29ee) is prohibited beyond this point
hey wiley
I am i glad you sent this to me, i thought it looked familiar but i wanted to check with legal before i said anything. this is one of the original sign (1995) and it IS still valid. we DO have to honor it. what was really weird is i saw one today at a store and would have ignored it had it not been for you. thank-you. i will be passing this info on to everyone.
thanks again, feel free to shout at me anytime.
So, there is another point of view. I respect this person's knowledge and I will honor the sign
..wiley
Your instructor is wrong on this one.
- Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:07 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Once more - 4413
- Replies: 27
- Views: 6383
ElGato is correct, thanks to another website, I discovered that 4413 was changed in 1999 to Subchapter H of the Texas Government Code, section 411.
The current penal code in section 30.06 does not list 4413. The actual wording requirement is;
to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by
holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under
Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"
The sign must have those IDENTICAL words, in both English and Spanish. Any deviation makes it un-enforceable.
Yes, it is possible that a LEO would not know the subtle difference in the law between the 1999 version and today. But as I have said before, I intend to obey the law. If I carry in a place that has a 4413 sign I am legal. If I keep my gun concealed as required, no LEO will know, and it will not be an issue. ;)
The current penal code in section 30.06 does not list 4413. The actual wording requirement is;
to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by
holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under
Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"
The sign must have those IDENTICAL words, in both English and Spanish. Any deviation makes it un-enforceable.
Yes, it is possible that a LEO would not know the subtle difference in the law between the 1999 version and today. But as I have said before, I intend to obey the law. If I carry in a place that has a 4413 sign I am legal. If I keep my gun concealed as required, no LEO will know, and it will not be an issue. ;)
- Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:22 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Once more - 4413
- Replies: 27
- Views: 6383
Re: Once more - 4413
What is a 4413e sign?wileyj wrote:My wife and I went to the Houston Museum of Natural Science today. There was a sign posted. It is not a 30.06 sign. It is a 4413e sign. I have seen them at car dealerships before and have complied with them in the past but I understand that unless it is a 30.06 it does not exclude my carrying.
Can you help me with this situation.
thanks
..wiley
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